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Scripture Commentary article 2024-06-19

The Debates Over 1 Timothy 2

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 12 on the debates over 1 Timothy 2:11-15

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Corinthians 10:11 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 1 Timothy 2 Spiritual Gifts Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2009-09-02

Mike Seaver Cheryl Schatz 10

## Responses to question #5

1 Corinthians 10:15 1 Corinthians 12:28 1 Corinthians 14:36 Women in Leadership Debates
Scripture Commentary article 2009-02-02

Adam And His Ms Organ

The creation account has been used by many as a foundation to produce myths and stories. While this post will concentrate on modern day myths, it is also helpful to understand some of the historical myths about the creation of male and female

1 Corinthians 11:7 1 Corinthians 11:7-8 1 Corinthians 11:8 Complementarianism
Scripture Commentary article 2009-01-30

Man Give Woman Self Understanding

Was the first man needed to give woman her self-understanding. According to Raymond C

Genesis 2:18 Genesis 2:22 Headship & Kephale Adam & Eve Complementarianism
Scripture Commentary article 2008-11-07

Modern Myths About The Titus 2 Woman

When the issue of women in ministry is brought up, one of the scripture passages that is used as a slam-dunk women-must-stay-in-the-home passage is Titus 2:3-5. Is this passage really about women restricted to the area of the home with cooking, cleaning and raising children, or are women allowed by

1 Timothy 3:11 1 Timothy 5:14 Esther 2 Authority & Submission Spiritual Gifts Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2007-09-30

The Rest Of The Story 1 Timothy 211 15 And Matt Slick

> Proverbs 18:17 (ESV) The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him

1 Peter 4:10 1 Peter 4:11 1 Timothy 1:13 1 Timothy 2 Debates
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-08-10

@american_d1ce @smashbaals You think that by teaching mutual submission that thi

@american_d1ce @smashbaals You think that by teaching mutual submission that this is subverting whole households and spreading Jewish myths? Nonsense!

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-07-12

@JEM_Books @sola_chad @ElleRulavage People criticize egalitarians for claiming that it’s about Christian women following the Artemis cult when Paul’s words suggest it’s about genealogies and what sounds like Jewish myths. And the idea of usurping mal...

@JEM_Books @sola_chad @ElleRulavage People criticize egalitarians for claiming that it’s about Christian women following the Artemis cult when Paul’s words suggest it’s about genealogies and what soun

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-06-30

@darylsterk Sorry, I just saw this now. There are certainly false teachings and myths that were coming in. Paul’s explicitly statements suggest Jewish myths: “…myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to useless speculation rather than advanc...

@darylsterk Sorry, I just saw this now. There are certainly false teachings and myths that were coming in. Paul’s explicitly statements suggest Jewish myths: “…myths and endless genealogies, which g

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-05-19

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Many Christians agree with my conclusions...just not always with the same reasons I use. I don't bring in Artemis as I don't see Paul referring to this cult but to Jewish myths. It matters not...

@Meritocrating @_Nosoup4you__ @FavaAnthony @_NoSoup4You_ Many Christians agree with my conclusions...just not always with the same reasons I use. I don't bring in Artemis as I don't see Paul referring

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-02-18

@BronWen727104 Could be. Though in 1Ti 1 where Paul introduces the strange doctrines, he refers to myths and genealogies and fruitless discussions about the law. I’m not sure what that has to do with Artemis. 1Ti 2:9 refers to elaborate hair—likely a...

@BronWen727104 Could be. Though in 1Ti 1 where Paul introduces the strange doctrines, he refers to myths and genealogies and fruitless discussions about the law. I’m not sure what that has to do with

1Ti 2:9 commentary
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-12-21

@Crystalisives That certainly could be, though Paul didn’t directly refer to Dia

@Crystalisives That certainly could be, though Paul didn’t directly refer to Diana in 1Tim, though perhaps in the bucket ‘myths’ in 1Ti 1.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-09-22

@carol66944 @Manny_Clay1 You are now repeating yourself and not adding anything new to your argument. How is taking Paul's explanation seriously "devotion" to genealogies and myths promoting speculation? Paul doesn't add new information to Ge 2-3, b...

@carol66944 @Manny_Clay1 You are now repeating yourself and not adding anything new to your argument. How is taking Paul's explanation seriously "devotion" to genealogies and myths promoting speculat

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-09-22

@carol66944 @Manny_Clay1 These verses make one wonder what Paul is doing here. T

@carol66944 @Manny_Clay1 These verses make one wonder what Paul is doing here. Trying to understand Paul's intentions in why he wrote what he did is *not* what Paul was admonishing people not to do.

1Ti 2:13-15 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-09-22

@carol66944 @Manny_Clay1 1) Agreed! Yet Paul always wrote with the understanding

@carol66944 @Manny_Clay1 1) Agreed! Yet Paul always wrote with the understanding that his private letters contain scripture and would also be beneficial to the church. 2) Agreed. 3) Are you suggesting

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-09-19

@carol66944 @lollyfana @RedefineApolog1 If Paul says to pay no attention to myth

@carol66944 @lollyfana @RedefineApolog1 If Paul says to pay no attention to myths, but then pays attention to such myths in his argument which he doesn't refute, doesn't that sound odd to you?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-09

@MERC_OCULAR @laurie_guilbeau @RoCa74394915 Lilith comes from Jewish myths which are not part of scripture and which we should avoid. "Nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship ...

@MERC_OCULAR @laurie_guilbeau @RoCa74394915 Lilith comes from Jewish myths which are not part of scripture and which we should avoid. "Nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which

1Ti 1:4 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-09

@missnic06 There are scriptures that refer to these kinds of Jewish myths and tells us not to follow them. "Nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith” ...

@missnic06 There are scriptures that refer to these kinds of Jewish myths and tells us not to follow them. "Nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rathe

1Ti 1:4 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-15

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii ...which immediately follows Paul's clear intent on why he wrote this personal letter to Timothy: “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct ce...

@EtAbundatGratia @mythreesonsb @MikeWingerii ...which immediately follows Paul's clear intent on why he wrote this personal letter to Timothy: “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-10

@NotTheBaptizer @KimberleeJayneW @deadtosin610 I get it. Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop certain people from teaching strange doctrines. It’s certainly a thing. But the idea that a godly woman can teach men or not is not one of those things Paul...

@NotTheBaptizer @KimberleeJayneW @deadtosin610 I get it. Paul left Timothy in Ephesus to stop certain people from teaching strange doctrines. It’s certainly a thing. But the idea that a godly woman ca

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-26

@RovingWolv @LutheranLifter "Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct ***certain people*** not to teach ***strange doctrines,*** nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, wh...

@RovingWolv @LutheranLifter "Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct ***certain people*** not to teach ***strange doctrines,*** nor to

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-25

@Yessiiiiir @MikeWingerii Paul says to Timothy in 1 Tim 1:3-4, “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct certain people not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and e...

@Yessiiiiir @MikeWingerii Paul says to Timothy in 1 Tim 1:3-4, “Just as I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, to remain on at Ephesus so that you would instruct certain people not to teach stra

1 Tim 1:3-4 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are misinterpreting 1 Tim 2:12. You assume it's as clear as mud, but its just mud in the eye of the complementarians and Patriachists! Read chapter 1⎯how Paul refers to the purpose of stopp...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning You are misinterpreting 1 Tim 2:12. You assume it's as clear as mud, but its just mud in the eye of the complementarians and Patriachists! Read

1 Tim 2:12 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-21

@Tobari80901590 @pearlythingz That idea is completely foreign to the Biblical text and is inserting myths into the account. “Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, ‘I have obtained a male...

@Tobari80901590 @pearlythingz That idea is completely foreign to the Biblical text and is inserting myths into the account. “Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave bi

Gen 4:1 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-20

@MariusM38610501 @MikeWingerii I agree, yet he doesn’t explicitly identify what the source of the issues are or tie them to Artemis cult activities somehow getting into the church. What we see in 1 Timothy is: 1. Myths and Endless Genealogies (1:4)...

@MariusM38610501 @MikeWingerii I agree, yet he doesn’t explicitly identify what the source of the issues are or tie them to Artemis cult activities somehow getting into the church. What we see in 1 T

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-02

@IdorenyinEtuk5 @Drprincessjanet @Solomon_Buchi Yes, and this is expressly what

@IdorenyinEtuk5 @Drprincessjanet @Solomon_Buchi Yes, and this is expressly what Timothy was to do with the false teachers at Ephesus which was also a problem with the church Titus was shepherding. Je

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-02

@IdorenyinEtuk5 @Drprincessjanet @Solomon_Buchi Yes, one should not pay attention to myths. In 1 Tim 1:3-4, Paul instructs Timothy to tell the Ephesian believers not to occupy themselves with myths and endless genealogies which promote controversies...

@IdorenyinEtuk5 @Drprincessjanet @Solomon_Buchi Yes, one should not pay attention to myths. In 1 Tim 1:3-4, Paul instructs Timothy to tell the Ephesian believers not to occupy themselves with myths a

1 Tim 1:3-4 commentary