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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-06-08

@geekyguyjay But God didn't curse the woman or the man. If you look at the test, He cursed the ground and the serpent (and the animals). The "patriarchy" culture I'm referring to isn't even from the Old Testament, it's from the time after Jesus. It'...

@geekyguyjay But God didn't curse the woman or the man. If you look at the test, He cursed the ground and the serpent (and the animals). The "patriarchy" culture I'm referring to isn't even from the

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-05-22

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn The rule that only men are to lead is what

@KillmanBuck @JoInAthensGa @Eric_Conn The rule that only men are to lead is what you import. So it’s not easiest for women to love their husbands? It doesn’t counter the ‘curse’ to love? Men need res

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-10

@MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @pastherandie @JollyStine @jdpritchett Just looking at Rhaven's summary: "After he said everything listed in Genesis 3 was the curse pronounc...

@MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @pastherandie @JollyStine @jdpritchett Just looking at Rhaven's summary: "After he said eve

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose Yes, cursed is the *ground* and the serpent and animals. A

@yxm84 @LilaGraceRose Yes, cursed is the *ground* and the serpent and animals. Adam and Eve are not specifically cursed. Head can mean source or origin, and Paul is using it this way, not as leader.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-11

@GnosisAdventum @paulsfam4 @MikeWingerii @DoctrinesofRad Adam and Eve were not c

@GnosisAdventum @paulsfam4 @MikeWingerii @DoctrinesofRad Adam and Eve were not cursed. Re-read the text.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-09

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Yes, the ground was cursed, not Adam. There's a difference. Also notice, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife..." Adam was right there. He heard her speaking to the Serpent and her repeating of the com...

@KimberleeJayneW @will_servant Yes, the ground was cursed, not Adam. There's a difference. Also notice, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife..." Adam was right there. He heard her sp

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-16

@UndyingLegend79 @TheMuppetPastor God uses the word curse twice but not directly to the man and woman. You can say so but it’s not there in the text. Second, you are assuming that “you will desire him” means desiring to rule him, but the word rule ...

@UndyingLegend79 @TheMuppetPastor God uses the word curse twice but not directly to the man and woman. You can say so but it’s not there in the text. Second, you are assuming that “you will desire h

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-16

@UndyingLegend79 @TheMuppetPastor Take a second look—the ground was cursed and t

@UndyingLegend79 @TheMuppetPastor Take a second look—the ground was cursed and the serpent (and animals) were cursed, but no mention of curse of Adam or Eve. The word is not used. https://t.co/OLSzgw

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-31

@JrShines @M_Jensen23 @smashbaals Eve didn’t take authority over Adam. That idea is nowhere in the text or even hinted in the interactions between God and Adam or Eve. Do you farm or do you do something else? Because if you just work such as at a ...

@JrShines @M_Jensen23 @smashbaals Eve didn’t take authority over Adam. That idea is nowhere in the text or even hinted in the interactions between God and Adam or Eve. Do you farm or do you do somet

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-13

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 God uses the term curse multiple times in Genes

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 God uses the term curse multiple times in Genesis 3. Does God not know how to say “cursed are you Eve?” He doesn’t do it.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-13

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 Yes, I read my Bible very carefully. I believe it is fully inspired even down to the grammatical details. I suggested another possible reason our culture is having gender issues is because abuse of patriarchy. What...

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 Yes, I read my Bible very carefully. I believe it is fully inspired even down to the grammatical details. I suggested another possible reason our culture is having g

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-08

@prot_zoomer @ErnestVanceJr @TomBuck So the next verses apply to the church? How would Moses’ audience have known this? Deuteronomy 30:7–10 (NIV): 7 The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. 8 You will ...

@prot_zoomer @ErnestVanceJr @TomBuck So the next verses apply to the church? How would Moses’ audience have known this? Deuteronomy 30:7–10 (NIV): 7 The Lord your God will put all these curses on yo

Deuteronomy 30:7 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-14

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris The Bible never says "Cursed are you Eve..." We could also see God as increasing her rate of conception (and therefore pain) because she is going to die and needs to populate the earth. I'm not sure the text clai...

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris The Bible never says "Cursed are you Eve..." We could also see God as increasing her rate of conception (and therefore pain) because she is going to die and needs

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Theology verse entry

Galatians 3:26-29

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Galatians 3:26-29 inheritance,sonship,equality,salvation,sanctification,Judaizers,bondage,egalitarian,Galatians 3:28
Theology verse entry

Genesis 1:26-28

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 1:26-28 creation,dominion,co-equal,image of God,male and female,egalitarian,gender roles,imago dei,equality
Theology verse entry

Genesis 3:14-19

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 3:14-19 fall,curse,consequences,serpent,Eve,Adam,pain,thorns,death,not prescriptive,protoevangelium,seed of the woman,Messiah,teknogonia,desire,rule,teshuqah,mashal,egalitarian,complementarian,patriarchy
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Preview of Genesis 1-3 debate: creation order, Adam naming Eve, Eve as climax of creation, Adam blamed for the fall, dominion given to both, 'your husband will rule over you' — with complementarian and egalitarian responses to each.

Preview of next video (Video 2)

Gen 1-3 creation order Adam naming Eve
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Introduction to part 2 of Women in Ministry series, framing it as a month-long research project engaging deeply with egalitarian views.

Series introduction and framing

women in ministry complementarianism egalitarianism
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Overview of Genesis 1-3 as the focus of this video, covering the fall and creation and what they say about men's and women's roles.

Series introduction and framing

Gen 1-3 creation and fall
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Definition of complementarian and egalitarian positions in the debate over women in ministry.

Framing the two sides of the debate

women in ministry complementarianism egalitarianism
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Both egalitarians and complementarians agree that Genesis 1-3 is theologically foundational for understanding male-female relationships.

Establishing common ground between the two sides

Gen 1-3 Discovering Biblical Equality Mary Conway
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

The general complementarian approach sees Genesis 2 showing husband's leadership role, confirmed in Genesis 3; the egalitarian approach says authority only appears in Genesis 3 as part of the curse.

Overview of the two interpretive frameworks for Genesis 2-3

male authority Gen 2 Gen 3
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Three-section outline: Genesis 1 (foundational, little disagreement), Genesis 2 (longest section, most debated), and Genesis 3 (the fall and the curse).

Video structure overview

Gen 2 Gen 3 Gen 1
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Genesis 1:26-28 read and analyzed: the Hebrew word 'adam' refers to mankind (male and female), not just the male.

Genesis 1 analysis -- the creation passage

adam Gen 1:26-28 mankind terminology
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Male and female are both made in God's image -- the highest statement about human value, foundational to the debate.

Genesis 1 analysis -- imago Dei

image of God Gen 1:27 human dignity
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Dominion in Genesis 1 is given to both male and female together -- the first mention of human authority in the Bible includes women.

Genesis 1 analysis -- shared dominion

Gen 1:28 dominion shared authority
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Mary Conway's argument that all plural imperative verbs in Genesis 1:28 include both man and woman with no restriction on any activity, including dominion.

Egalitarian argument from Genesis 1

Discovering Biblical Equality Gen 1:28 Mary Conway
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Mike's application: limiting women to housework wrongly restricts the dominion mandate of Genesis 1; women should be inventors, farmers, engineers, entrepreneurs, etc.

Practical application of Genesis 1's shared dominion

dominion mandate women's roles women and work
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Analysis of Titus 2:5 'working at home' -- the Greek word means carrying out household responsibilities, not being restricted to the home.

New Testament cross-reference on women and work

Titus 2:5 women and work Titus 2:5 oikourgos
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Biblical examples of women who worked outside the home: Proverbs 31 woman (entrepreneur), Lydia (businesswoman), Priscilla (tentmaker).

Biblical counter-examples to women-only-at-home view

Prov 31 Lydia Priscilla
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Women in Luke 8:2-3 financially sponsored Jesus and the disciples, proving they had significant independent means and worked beyond the home.

Biblical counter-examples to women-only-at-home view

Luke 8:2-3 Luke 8:2-3 Mary Magdalene Joanna
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Historical context: work often happened at home throughout history; the modern commute-to-work model is recent and should not be read into ancient texts.

Historical lens on 'working at home'

Titus 2:5 women and work Titus 2:5 historical context
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Genesis 1 focuses on humanity's relationship to creation; Genesis 2 focuses on the relationship between man and woman, especially husband and wife.

Transition from Genesis 1 to Genesis 2

Gen 2 Gen 1 dominion vs. marital roles
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Reading of Genesis 2:7-25 with key observations: Adam made first, given commands alone, names animals alone, Eve made from Adam's rib.

Genesis 2 reading and initial observations

creation order Gen 2:7-25 adam naming animals
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Philip Payne's egalitarian argument: 'bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh' emphasizes shared essence and kinship, never subordination.

Egalitarian interpretation of Genesis 2:23

Philip Payne Man and Woman, One in Christ Gen 2:23
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Mike's rebuttal: 'bone of my bones' denotes familial connection but says nothing about authority being present or absent, shown by 2 Samuel 5:1 and Judges 9:2.

Evaluating Payne's 'bone of my bones' argument

Philip Payne bone of my bones 2 Sam 5:1
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Two types of egalitarian arguments for Genesis 2: negative case (refuting complementarian points) or positive case (Genesis 2 rules out authority differences).

Framework for evaluating egalitarian arguments

Gen 2 negative vs. positive case egalitarian hermeneutics
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Payne's second argument: the man (not the woman) leaves father and mother, which implies equality rather than male authority.

Egalitarian argument from Genesis 2:24

Philip Payne Man and Woman, One in Christ Gen 2:24
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

The real point of 'leaving father and mother' is that the marriage relationship takes priority over the parental relationship.

Mike's interpretation of Genesis 2:24

Gen 2:24 marriage priority family unit
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Payne's third argument: father and mother sharing authority over the son before he leaves shows egalitarian parental authority.

Egalitarian argument about shared parental authority

Philip Payne Gen 2:24 parental authority
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Payne correctly refutes a bad complementarian argument that God naming the human race 'man' (adam) in Genesis 5:2 implies male leadership.

Payne identifies a weak complementarian argument

Philip Payne adam Gen 5:2
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Introduction to Tom Schreiner's six reasons from Genesis 2 for Adam having a leadership role, from 'Two Views on Women in Ministry.'

Transition to complementarian case from Genesis 2

Tom Schreiner Two Views on Women in Ministry Gen 2
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Schreiner's point 1: God created Adam first, then Eve, significantly later -- this implies leadership through primogeniture.

Complementarian argument #1: creation order

creation order Tom Schreiner Gen 2:7
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Phyllis Trible's argument that Adam was a sexually undifferentiated 'earth creature' before Eve's creation, not male -- from 'God and the Rhetoric of Sexuality' (1978).

Egalitarian counter-argument to creation order

Phyllis Trible God and the Rhetoric of Sexuality ha adam
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Mike's refutation of Trible: 'adam' is never used as 'earth creature' in Hebrew; in Genesis 2 it always refers to a male; and Genesis 2:23 ('ish') proves Adam was already male.

Refuting Trible's sexually undifferentiated adam theory

adam Phyllis Trible Gen 2:22-23
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Trible's influence: her arguments are borrowed by Payne, 'Discovering Biblical Equality,' Tucker and Liefeld's 'Daughters of the Church,' and other egalitarian works.

Trible's scholarly influence despite flawed arguments

Philip Payne Discovering Biblical Equality Phyllis Trible
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Primogeniture in Hebrew culture: the firstborn had greater authority; older people had more leadership -- this cultural context is key to reading Genesis 2.

Cultural background for Schreiner's creation order argument

creation order Gen 2 primogeniture
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Egalitarian pushback: animals were made before Adam in Genesis 1, so creation order doesn't imply authority -- Mike's response: Genesis 1 and 2 are separate accounts, and primogeniture only applies among humans.

Egalitarian counter-argument to primogeniture

creation order Gen 2 Gen 1
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Linda Belleville's argument: Genesis 2 speaks of order and source, not authority -- Mike's rebuttal: these aren't mutually exclusive; primogeniture is precisely about order implying authority.

Egalitarian counter-argument from Belleville

Linda Belleville Gen 2 order and source
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Craig Blomberg's quote: ancient Jews accustomed to primogeniture would likely have seen Adam being made first as a sign of privilege.

Complementarian scholarly support for creation order argument

Two Views on Women in Ministry primogeniture Craig Blomberg
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