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Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

The egalitarian exaltation of eldership: making it an all-or-nothing test of Christ-status

Mike identifies what he sees as a major problem in the egalitarian framework.

eldership reductio ad absurdum Christ-status
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Mormon celestial kingdom: highest level, where one may become a god. Leads into the concept of Mormon exaltation.

Overview of the highest tier of the Mormon afterlife, previewing the exaltation concept discussed in more detail later.

celestial kingdom LDS soteriology Mormon exaltation
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Mormon view of 'saved by grace': Jesus earns your resurrection (basic bodily resurrection), but full salvation requires burning off sin and earning one's way upward.

The Mormon concept of grace is limited to resurrection — much less than what Christians mean by grace.

Mormon soteriology LDS grace universal resurrection (LDS)
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Christian definition of exaltation: being with God forever in glorified human bodies — received by grace by every believer as part of salvation.

Eighth vocabulary comparison: 'exaltation.' The Christian meaning is simply eschatological union with God in resurrected bodies.

eschatology glorification Christian exaltation
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Mormon definition of exaltation: becoming a god, populating your own world with spirit children, and perpetuating the cycle of eternal progression infinitely.

The Mormon concept of exaltation goes far beyond Christian glorification — it involves deification and cosmic reproduction.

eternal progression spirit children LDS soteriology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

The Mormon cosmology of exaltation implies an infinite regression of gods — each God had a god before him who was once a man — which Mike argues is a philosophical impossibility.

Mike draws out the logical implications of the Mormon exaltation cycle: an infinite backwards chain of gods with no first cause.

eternal progression infinite regression of gods Mormon cosmology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

King Follett Sermon quote: 'you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves... from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation' — eternal life is progressive deification.

Joseph Smith's direct teaching on exaltation from the King Follett Sermon, framing godhood as the telos of Mormon salvation.

Joseph Smith King Follett Sermon eternal progression
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

LDS.org lists requirements for exaltation: obey all commands of God, be baptized, be an LDS member, become a Melchizedek priest, receive temple endowment, marry for time and eternity, and more.

Mike reads the official LDS list of exaltation requirements to show the burden placed on Mormon believers.

LDS.org works-based salvation LDS exaltation requirements
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

The exaltation requirement to 'love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and neighbor as yourself' means no one meets it — creating either despair or self-deception.

Mike focuses on one specific exaltation requirement (the Great Commandment) to show that the Mormon salvific bar is humanly unachievable.

Ephesians 2:8-9 Ephesians 2:8-9 LDS soteriology works-based salvation
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Christian definition of the gospel: the good news of forgiveness through faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection — sufficient for complete salvation.

Ninth vocabulary comparison: 'the gospel.' For Christians, the gospel is straightforward good news requiring faith, not works.

Christian soteriology gospel faith
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-29

Jesus dividing spoils: the co-heir theology of the New Testament

Ra claims Jesus never divided spoils with peers as Isaiah 53 requires

Isaiah 53 - dividing spoils Romans 8:17 Isaiah 53 - dividing spoils Co-heirs with Christ Romans 8:17
Mike Winger idea 2021-03-19

Daniel 11 points to the future Antichrist: Second Thessalonians 2 and the Olivet Discourse confirm it

Continuation: reasons for reading Daniel 11 as ultimately about a future Antichrist figure.

Mark 13 Daniel 11:36-45 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Abomination of desolation Antichrist Mark 13
Mike Winger idea 2020-04-15

Jesus's omniscience during incarnation: Mike disagrees that Jesus had NO supernatural knowledge while on earth. He knew Nathanael under the fig tree (John 1:48) and "what was in the heart of man" (John 2:25). Philippians 2:5-9: Jesus "emptied himself" — voluntarily limited ACCESS to omniscience while retaining it. Like knowing something but not being able to recall it at will.

Jesus's knowledge during incarnation — kenosis

Philippians 2:5-9 John 1:48 kenosis Philippians 2:5-9 Jesus supernatural knowledge
Mike Winger idea 2024-02-23

Winger affirms the Father has authority over the Son but attributes this to the Incarnation (Phil 2:5-8), not necessarily to the eternal nature of the Trinity. He's open to but not convinced by Eternal Functional Subordination (EFS). Explicitly says he does NOT use EFS to defend complementarianism.

Q: Do many scriptures showing different authority levels between Father and Jesus mean the Father has higher authority? (John 14:28, 1 Cor 11:3, Matt 28:18)

1 Corinthians 11:3 Philippians 2:5-8 John 14:28 complementarianism headship Trinity