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Mike Winger idea 2018-12-01

Jim's claims about crucifixion: we have only one ancient source for Roman crucifixion practices; the cross was a straight pole (stauros = stake), not a T-shape; and Romans never removed crucifixion victims — they left them to be devoured by scavengers, making burial and an empty tomb impossible

Sixth and final major claim Mike refutes

etymology resurrection apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-12-01

The etymological fallacy: deriving a word's current meaning from its ancient root is a logical error — stauros may have once meant 'stake' but that doesn't mean it meant that in first-century usage

Mike addresses Jim's stauros/stake argument

etymological fallacy apologetics linguistics
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

Introduction: cross vs. stake controversy overview

Winger opens by framing the topic — whether Jesus died on a traditional cross (two beams) or a single upright pole/stake. He notes the question has limited direct theological implications but has become practically important in Christian-Jehovah's Witness and Christian-atheist exchanges.

crucifixion cross vs. stake stauros
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

Jehovah's Witnesses use the cross-vs-stake argument to undermine Christian Bible translations

The Watchtower organization teaches that Jesus died on a "torture stake" (single upright pole), not a cross. They use the Greek word stauros, which in its classical roots means an upright pole, to argue the Christian Bible mistranslates the word as "cross."

New World Translation Bible translation cross
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

The etymological fallacy: a word's origin does not fix its meaning

The core linguistic error in the JW argument is the etymological fallacy — assuming that the root meaning of a word is always its current or proper meaning. Winger explains this is a recognized fallacy in linguistics.

etymological fallacy linguistics stauros
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

Watchtower quotes Greek lexicons selectively and out of context

The Watchtower's Insight on the Scriptures (Vol. 1) quotes Douglas's New Bible Dictionary (1985, p. 253) on stauros to support the torture-stake claim. Winger reads the actual quote the Watchtower uses.

selective quotation cross stauros
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

Full quote from Douglas's New Bible Dictionary supports a traditional cross, not a stake

When the full entry from Douglas's New Bible Dictionary is read, it describes three historical types of crosses and leans toward the traditional lowercase-T cross for Jesus's crucifixion.

crucifixion stauros Douglas's New Bible Dictionary
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

BDAG lexicon also supports lowercase-T cross when read in full

The Bauer-Danker-Arndt-Gingrich (BDAG) Greek lexicon is another source the Watchtower cites selectively. Like Douglas's dictionary, the full entry supports a crossbeam on Jesus's cross.

BDAG selective quotation cross
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament lists three cross forms including traditional cross

The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT) is a third major scholarly source Winger cites. It describes stauros as used for three basic cross shapes.

TDNT crucifixion cross
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

Early NT manuscripts (P75, P66) abbreviate stauros with Tau-Rho symbol depicting a cross with crossbeam

In some of the earliest New Testament manuscripts, the Greek word stauros is abbreviated using the letters Tau (T) and Rho (P-shape), superimposed on each other to form a visual symbol. This combination appears to depict a man on a cross with a crossbeam.

crucifixion cross early church history
Mike Winger idea 2019-09-04

Clarification: the etymological fallacy is a linguistic fallacy, not a logical fallacy

A viewer misunderstood Winger's use of the term "etymological fallacy," thinking he invented or misapplied it. Winger clarifies the distinction between logical and linguistic fallacies.

etymological fallacy linguistics stauros