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Here is how I concluded my [series of posts on 1 Tim 2:11-15](http://gengwall.blogspot.com/2010/02/show-stoppers-1-timothy-2-universal_2952.html). When 1 Timothy 2:11-15 is reviewed with close scruti...

Don said, *“I see the hierarchy of the church as flat, everyone is under Jesus. We can choose to be under someone else ONLY as they are under Jesus and ONLY for a Biblical reason, for example, to lear...

Let me say again here, that the Bible gives us an easy way to test these things. Jesus said that by their fruits you shall know them. If a woman is in ministry and it is Godly, with Godly fruit and Bi...

Don, You said: > 3. I have heard that the lots MIGHT have been votes by the 11. Even if it was a random device, the Bible says “The lot is in the hands of the Lord.” so for me, the question is wheth...

Cheryl and Kerryn, I think that they (church governments) don’t “get it” because they feel that men (anthropos) must be governed. They must be led by their betters. If men must be governed, then it fo...

Jesus is simply the Man I want to be like. Both egalitarians and complementarians need to learn of Him. I just read an interview of J.I. Packer, eminent evangelical theologian, from Touchstone Magazin...

Lin, my parents saw this, too, as well as other things that gave them pause for concern and it caused them to always be ‘fringe Christians’ because they could never fully buy into what they saw happen...

This does not really go here but it is about Eve and the teaching out there about her. A friend sent me this today. It is a quote from Mark Driscoll about Eve.(CBMW disagrees with Driscoll as he allow...

Cheryl, I agree with your post 23. I see Titus being a gentile leader as another step in the gospel to all the world, one we might take for granted today, but radical in its time. And if God did not...

sm-thanks i think i need to re-word my question as i dont think you understood what i was asking. 1. Egals believe there is no creation order and the idea or corruption of mans ‘rule’ is a result o...

Mark, You ask: “2. If the above is correct, the redemption acheived through Jesus has in effect reversed this male leadership, that we are all now ‘co heirs’ in everything, including church leadershi...

The latest issue of *Priscilla Papers* had a good article on this. Concerning modern translations: > Belleville also notes, significantly, that a variety of *pre-modern* versions of the Bible transla...

Cheryl, will you please delete my first post and replace it with this one? Thanks. Mike, you said,” The [1 Corinthians 14](logos4:///Bible/1Co 14) passage has to do with the corporate worship setting...

Hi Mark, I hear the description of decision making in your marriage and I agree with Cheryl’s generalization – that it is predominantly egalitarian. That you and your wife have agreed that you will m...

“I have real life friends who have tried this exact approach and all that the church does is berate the woman and try to find out what SHE has done wrong to cause her husband’s abusive “reactions”.” ...

Lin “Having what some think is ‘authority’ or leadership over others is a huge sin trap.” Yes, “a hugh sin trap” I have seen the dangers of “Titles,” of “Pastors,” and of “leaders.” Spiritual a...

It seemed that when ever we raised and issue or even offered an opinion to church leadership (elders and pastor) we were labelled this and our view dismissed (and told to be quiet to boot). I will giv...

Mark, first you said: “Just because there is a feminine and masculine form at the beginning of the chapter to attempt to prove that the ‘plural’ form 15 or so verses later includes both genders, is ...

Unfortunately there are those who defy common sense: “Without blushing, Paul is simply stating that when it comes to leading in the church, women are unfit because they are more gullible and easier t...

Mara #4, I think it’s very much due to FEAR on two fronts: Some women fear that if they go against what their Church leadership decrees, it is the same thing as willful rebellion against God himself...