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Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Sam, > This “covering” teaching is an invention, a lie, and often results in spiritual abuse. Absolultely!

Woman Need Spritual Covering
2009-11-07

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Sam, What Southwestern Seminary has done is real. My comments about what they have done is tongue-in-cheek.

Southwestern Asserts Male Headship
2009-11-07

Comment by truthseeker

Lin, I agree. The softest comp marriage out there may be the safest-amongst comp and patriarchal marriages, but it is still comp and it is comp strict

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Frank

I’m sorry it has taken me longer, than I originally intended, to make a response to Mark’s latest comments ( #228) of my critique of the ESS teaching.

Do The Genders Have Different Functions
2009-11-06

Comment by Sam

This is too, too weird! Is this post, and the comments, for real or a tongue-in-cheek insiders joke for SBC people?

Southwestern Asserts Male Headship
2009-11-06

Comment by Sam

Thank you for answering my question! I’ve been on vacation and just now saw this post. I’ve been reading the Bible since I was a small child and neve

Woman Need Spritual Covering
2009-11-06

Comment by leanne

But wasn’t that exactly what the Talmud did say? (well, okay, not the bit about the church, but about the woman’s voice being filthy. . . . )

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by Mara

I like that quote from Quivering Daughters too.

John Piper On Submission In Abuse
2009-11-06

Comment by pinklight

ROTFLOL

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by pinklight

“Now it is time to test all things by God’s word. What does it say?” That women’s voices are filthy in church. 🙂

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

You know pinklight, I think you have hit on something profound. The church building represents God. And women cannot teach in the presence of God. She

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by pinklight

“So how did Eve know that she could teach Adam in the garden but certainly she couldn’t teach him in the “church” because that wasn’t allowed by creat

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by pinklight

“So how did Eve know that she could teach Adam in the garden but certainly she couldn’t teach him in the “church” because that wasn’t allowed by creat

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

So how did Eve know that she could teach Adam in the garden but certainly she couldn’t teach him in the “church” because that wasn’t allowed by creati

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by pinklight

“Ultimately these things still fall under the spritual head of a man i.e pastor/elder adn i think that is the whole point. Women are still able to exe

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by pinklight

“You just can’t forbid women from teaching in a church building and then link it to creation.” Woman was created to not teach in a church building.

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by pinklight

LOL Dave!

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by Dave

I think we need to realise the full context of 1 Peter. IMHO Peter is suggesting Christians submit to the authorities (emperor and governors), slaves

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Dave, you are a hoot!

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by Dave

My anti-spam word is “wife”. Other than that I have nothing else to say 🙂

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by Hannah Thomas

I also have no issue with what some coin soft comps either. I was reading an article today: <http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&ta

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Bonnie

Great analysis, Cheryl, you’re absolutely right. I think what was (and is) going on is attempt to save a dying tradition, that CBMW folk honestly beli

Three Spheres Of Subordination Shrinks To Two
2009-11-06

Comment by Lin

“This is a gross overstatement. Not all who believe in the male headship define is a ‘dominant’ husband. How many times do people need to be told that

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Lin

“And I appreciate you all. I’ve been accused of not believing the whole counsel of scripture for suggesting that the Words of Jesus just might carry

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Lin

“Lin – Although I see your point on submission hindering male salvation, that is what 1 Peter 3 seems to be suggesting. Of course, patriarchalists tak

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Mara

Thank you Kay and gengwall. I’m glad there are people who understand what I’m trying to say through all my fumbling around. And I appreciate you all

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

I found a great quote on this web site <http://quiveringdaughters.blogspot.com> > It is a grave disservice to the spirit of a woman when she is given

John Piper On Submission In Abuse
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

Agreement between Paul and Jesus a necessity? What a novel concept. Of course, the lack of agreement between Paul and Jesus when Paul is viewed throug

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by A. Amos Love

Dave Nice of you to defend and speak up for Piper. There seems to be a strange phenomena with wife abuse. When the wife is abused she often defend

John Piper On Submission In Abuse
2009-11-06

Comment by Kay

“Paul’s words in Ephesians are awesome. But they have been too easily twisted too long for me to see them as foundational as the words of Jesus Himsel

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

I think that the article is well written. While I may not have said it the same way, remember it was written by someone else so while we can give sugg

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Ah, my spam word for this one is “leader”. 🙂 The issue of 1 Timothy 2:12 being a restriction in a “church” building has a problem. The problem is the

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

I wonder if it would appease everyone if it was put: “The dark side of submission, while not a universal phenomenon amongst complimentarians, is a ver

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Kay

Mark, I wonder if perhaps our perceptions on this differ because many of us (commentors) are in the US and Canada dealing with teachers, ministers a

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Dave

I like gengwall’s question, and for me it is where we probably need Mark to focus for a second (or two!). It seems that the idea that his wife can tea

Women On Trial
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

LOL – Mara thinks she writes too long of a post. Must now ROTFL. Mara, you just keep writing and don’t worry about the length. I could read your heart

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Mara

Mark: “This is a gross overstatement. Not all who believe in the male headship define is a ‘dominant’ husband. How many times do people need to be tol

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

That is an extrodinary response Mara. Bravo. Yes, one would think that all Christians, complimentarian and egalitarian alike, would want to properly d

John Piper On Submission In Abuse
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

What is really interesting is to see pastors from complimentarian traditions or denominations who never-the-less believe essentially in egalitarian ma

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Cheryl Schatz

Mark, > Not all who believe in the male headship define is a ‘dominant’ husband. How many times do people need to be told that comp theology is not a

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

And in light of the prior comment, I should ammend comment 11 to read in all places – “some complimentarians” – lest I be guilty of the same all inclu

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

I agree Mark. I know many marriages that work wonderfully with two happy and loving partners that claim the complimentarian banner. But, as many have

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Mara

Thanks, David, for clearing up the Piper/SGM ministries thing for me. I really don’t want to run around passing off misinformation as fact. For the r

John Piper On Submission In Abuse
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

Oh yes – one more thing. Complimentarians also engage in blatant error when dealing with 1 Peter 3 because they envision the husband’s abuse as a bypr

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Mark

These things are truly disturbing. BUt rather than labeling it under the banner of ‘traditionalists’ perhaps egalitarians should be more careful with

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

I agree, but believe there is more. Peter’s use of Abraham and Sarah has significance in the type of relationship being addressed. Abraham was behavin

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by Kay

gengwall, My understanding of 1 Peter 3 would be that it coincides with the admonitions not to be a stumbling block and the usual ways, like dressin

The Dark Side Of Submission
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

Sorry – the second link didn’t take. Let’s try again. My blog post is [HERE](http://gengwall.blogspot.com/2009/11/is-contraception-sin.html)

Southwestern Asserts Male Headship
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

FYI Wade Burleson has posted a rebuttal to quiverfull theology [HERE](http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2009/11/honoring-god-in-city-full-of-needy.ht

Southwestern Asserts Male Headship
2009-11-06

Comment by gengwall

I will add just this to Cheryl’s comment. Dave – I too am inclined to cut Piper slack (for example, see my post 86 above). But what I see, even in his

John Piper On Submission In Abuse
2009-11-06
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