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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-13

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris I read a book recently titled “As Christ Sub

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris I read a book recently titled “As Christ Submits to the Church: A Biblical Understanding of Leadership and Mutual Submission,” by Alan G. Padgett. He talks about t

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-13

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris Yes, that is correct. That is a word for fe

@ymmotrojam @CherylSchatz @brmorris Yes, that is correct. That is a word for feminists! And husbands submit to their wives. Don’t forget that one. ;-)

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-13

@brmorris @CherylSchatz @ymmotrojam I suppose the corresponding term to feminism

@brmorris @CherylSchatz @ymmotrojam I suppose the corresponding term to feminism would be chauvinism. The tendency is to prioritize or force your way, but the Biblical way is mutual submission. Mayb

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-13

@CherylSchatz @ymmotrojam @brmorris Egalitarian means shared authority or mutual submission. Complementarian is male authority. Patriarchy is more extreme. Feminism is female authority. Extreme feminism is female priority and authority. So there...

@CherylSchatz @ymmotrojam @brmorris Egalitarian means shared authority or mutual submission. Complementarian is male authority. Patriarchy is more extreme. Feminism is female authority. Extreme fe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-13

@William_E_Wolfe You do realize that egalitarian means equal right? If it’s fem

@William_E_Wolfe You do realize that egalitarian means equal right? If it’s feminism it's not egalitarian. Maybe we should call it “mutual submission”?

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-10

@meganjanehaney @HwsEleutheroi According to Ephesians 5:21, we are all supposed

@meganjanehaney @HwsEleutheroi According to Ephesians 5:21, we are all supposed to submit to one another…pastors to congregants, women to men, men to women, children to parents, parents to children.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-08

@BiblewithB @MikeWingerii Luke 22:24-27 Jesus subjects himself to serve His chur

@BiblewithB @MikeWingerii Luke 22:24-27 Jesus subjects himself to serve His church. This is not a submission of authority. Life as a follower of Christ is about a laying aside of one’s rights and be

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-08

@BiblewithB @MikeWingerii How about this sermon on Ephesians 5 showing the text

@BiblewithB @MikeWingerii How about this sermon on Ephesians 5 showing the text teaches mutual submission? https://t.co/kEedcNki6d

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Scripture Commentary debate point

## John Piper: “What should a wife’s submission to her husband look like if he’s an abuser. ”

[general] From: John Piper On Submission In Abuse

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V22 borrows its verb from v21, so the submission in view for wives must be the same kind: voluntary, mutual, self-giving, not one-directional hierarchy.

[egalitarian_argument] From: Eph 5:22 and Mutual Submission

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Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 2:11-15 specific woman,deception,authenteo,grammar,perfect tense,future tense,anaphoric,egalitarian,ephesus,teknogonia,singular plural,historical perfect,verbal aspect,paul as pattern
Theology verse entry

1 Peter 3:1-9

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Peter 3:1-9 submission,wives,husbands,Sarah,mutual-honor,egalitarian,context,obedience,intimidation
Theology verse entry

1 Corinthians 8:6

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Corinthians 8:6 lordship,Jesus,authority,husbands,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

Ephesians 5:18-33

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Ephesians 5:18-33 mutual submission,kephale,source,marriage,kenosis,Spirit-filled,husbands love,wives submit,egalitarian,hupotasso,allelon,household code,head-body metaphor,agapao,self-sacrifice,great mystery,Christ and church,one flesh
Theology verse entry

Philippians 2:3-8

Sections: exegesis, greek_analysis

Philippians 2:3-8 kenosis,humility,self-emptying,Christ example,tapeinophrosyne,egalitarian,servanthood
Theology verse entry

Titus 2:3-5

Sections: debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Titus 2:3-5 older women,teaching,presbutidas,domestic myths,egalitarian,women in ministry
Theology verse entry

Proverbs 31:10-31

Sections: exegesis, greek_analysis

Proverbs 31:10-31 excellent wife,wisdom,commerce,public teaching,economic independence,egalitarian,women leadership
Theology verse entry

1 Corinthians 11:10-16

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Corinthians 11:10-16 exousia,woman authority,angels,interdependence,mutual dependence,egalitarian,hair,covering,creation order,corrective,in the Lord
Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 3:1-4

Sections: greek_analysis

1 Timothy 3:1-4 elder,overseer,pastor,qualifications,women,tis,husband-of-one-wife,polygamy
Theology verse entry

1 Corinthians 11:2-9

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Corinthians 11:2-9 kephale,head covering,source,origin,authority,man woman,glory,image,aner gyne,egalitarian,Trinity,hierarchy,husband,wife,creation
Theology verse entry

1 Corinthians 7:1-5

Sections: exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Corinthians 7:1-5 marriage,mutual authority,exousia,husband wife,equality,body,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

Esther 1:20-22

Sections: debate_points, exegesis

Esther 1:20-22 Vashti,male rule,pagan law,authority by decree,not biblical model,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

Genesis 3:14-19

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 3:14-19 fall,curse,consequences,serpent,Eve,Adam,pain,thorns,death,not prescriptive,protoevangelium,seed of the woman,Messiah,teknogonia,desire,rule,teshuqah,mashal,egalitarian,complementarian,patriarchy
Theology verse entry

Colossians 3:18-19

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Colossians 3:18-19 household code,submission,love,fitting in the Lord,mutual obligation,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

Colossians 1:15-18

Sections: cross_references, exegesis, greek_analysis

Colossians 1:15-18 kephale,head,source,origin,creator,firstborn,preeminence,christology,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

Colossians 2:16-19

Sections: cross_references, exegesis, greek_analysis

Colossians 2:16-19 kephale,head,source,nourishment,body,growth,heresy,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

Genesis 2:10

Sections: cross_references, exegesis

Genesis 2:10 rosh,headwater,source,rivers,Eden,kephale background,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

1 Corinthians 15:28

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Corinthians 15:28 eschatology,subjection,Son,Trinity,EFS,mediatorial kingdom,subordinationism,hypotasso
Theology verse entry

Philippians 2:5-11

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Philippians 2:5-11 kenosis,incarnation,Christ hymn,self-emptying,EFS,Trinity,morphē theou,equality with God,exaltation
Theology verse entry

John 5:18-23

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

John 5:18-23 Son equal to Father,John 5,EFS,Trinity,divine prerogatives,honor Son as Father,isos,subordinationism
Theology verse entry

John 17:5

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

John 17:5 pre-incarnate glory,Son,Father,equality,EFS,Trinity,eternal equality,high priestly prayer
Theology greek term

ὁμοίως (homoiōs)

in the same way / likewise

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συγκληρονόμοις (synklēronomois)

fellow heirs / co-heirs

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κύριος (kyrios)

lord / master / sir

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κενόω (kenoō)

to empty; used reflexively of Christ's self-emptying (Phil 2:7)

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ἀλλήλοις (allelois)

one another, reciprocally, mutually

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ὑποτασσόμενοι (hypotassomenoi)

submitting, placing oneself under

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κεφαλή (kephalē)

head; source/origin; preeminent one

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ἡ (anaphoric) (he (anaphoric))

the (anaphoric article — pointing back to a previously introduced noun)

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ὑποτάσσω (hypotassō)

to subject, to submit, to place under

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ὑπακούω (hypakouō)

to listen to, to hearken, to obey

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μορφή (morphē)

form, essential nature (Phil 2:6-7)

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Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Mike agrees women are not inferior persons but argues that submissive roles and inferior personhood are not the same thing — children submit to parents, employees to bosses.

Mistake #4: Rebutting Groothuis's syllogism

Rebecca Merrill Groothuis submission vs. inferiority personhood
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Rebuttal: women's submission is not permanent — it is limited to this life, and Christians should not view this life as their permanent state. Most Christians permanently submit to elders anyway.

Mistake #4: Rebutting 'permanent'

eldership duration of submission eternal perspective
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Rebuttal: women's submission is not comprehensive — Groothuis claims there is 'no area in which a woman has any authority, privilege, or opportunity that a man is denied,' which massively overstates complementarian claims.

Mistake #4: Rebutting 'comprehensive'

Rebecca Merrill Groothuis Discovering Biblical Equality comprehensive submission
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Groothuis's argument only works against an extreme form of complementarianism that most complementarians would also reject — it attacks a straw man.

Mistake #4: Straw man critique

Rebecca Merrill Groothuis straw man argument relational submission
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Rebuttal: women's submission is not ontologically grounded — it is not rooted in women's nature making them inherently submissive.

Mistake #4: Rebutting 'ontologically grounded'

Rebecca Merrill Groothuis ontological grounding nature vs. assignment
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Even if Groothuis is right philosophically, her conclusion explicitly blocks Bible reading — she says there can be 'no biblical or theological warrant' for women's submission, which pre-determines what the Bible is allowed to say.

Mistake #4: How Groothuis's argument bypasses scripture

bypassing scripture biblical authority Rebecca Merrill Groothuis
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Barr uses the story of a rude complementarian male student to overrule Russell Moore's distinction between pagan patriarchy and biblical complementarianism.

Mistake #5: Barr's story overruling theological argument

story-driven theology Beth Allison Barr The Making of Biblical Womanhood
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Mistake #6: Thinking submission is inherently evil — submission was not a bad word in biblical culture, though it is in modern culture.

Mistake #6: Submission is inherently evil

submission cultural assumptions 1 Pet 5:5