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Scripture Commentary article 2024-06-19

The Debates Over 1 Timothy 2

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 12 on the debates over 1 Timothy 2:11-15

1 Cor 14:34-35 1 Corinthians 10:11 1 Corinthians 12:1-11 1 Timothy 2 Spiritual Gifts Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2017-06-07

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Part 4: 1 Timothy 2 Deception & the First Created

[Music] 1 Timothy Chapter 2 has been a difficult passage for Bible interpreters because of several hard to understand verses yet while Paul's reasoning is thought to be somewhat obscure this chapter has been seen by some as the clearest passage that says when women are not allowed to teach or to hav...

1 Timothy 1:13 1 Timothy 2:1 1 Timothy 2:11 1 Timothy 2 Adam & Eve Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2009-07-22

Wayne Grudem 6

This is the part 6 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open Letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his sixth question, Suzanne McCarthy’s answer and my own questions below that

1 Timothy 2:12 1 Timothy 2:15 Acts 20:30 1 Timothy 2 Women in Leadership Complementarianism
Scripture Commentary article 2009-04-02

5 Apostle Paul They

This post is the fifth one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

1 Timothy 2:11-15 1 Timothy 2:12 1 Timothy 2:13 1 Timothy 2 Complementarianism
Scripture Commentary article 2008-05-09

Matt Slick She They

This is a continuation of my evaluation of Matt Slick’s articles on women in ministry. Matt has been working for weeks to try to refute my interpretations

1 Timothy 2:12 1 Timothy 2:15 Amos 15 1 Timothy 2 Adam & Eve Women in Leadership
Scripture Commentary article 2007-09-30

The Rest Of The Story 1 Timothy 211 15 And Matt Slick

> Proverbs 18:17 (ESV) The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him

1 Peter 4:10 1 Peter 4:11 1 Timothy 1:13 1 Timothy 2 Debates
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-07-28

@grok @ThomasLinge24 @TheOfficeCalvin @VirgilWalkerOMA Paul identified in chapter 1 that there are two types of blasphemers: ones like himself who were ignorant and deceived and should receive mercy, and others like Hymenaeus and Alexander who blasph...

@grok @ThomasLinge24 @TheOfficeCalvin @VirgilWalkerOMA Paul identified in chapter 1 that there are two types of blasphemers: ones like himself who were ignorant and deceived and should receive mercy,

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-05-19

@StandAndKnox The purpose of Paul's personal letter to Timothy was to stop the s

@StandAndKnox The purpose of Paul's personal letter to Timothy was to stop the spread of strange doctrines. Paul recognizes that there are those who are deceived and those who are in willful rebellion

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-01-27

@Rick07200430 @wichman_matthew @CherylSchatz @autocorrect2_0 If the faith of Hymenaeus and Alexander was “shipwrecked” does this mean they are still considered saved? If so, why doesn’t Paul just bench them in the church? Why does he kick them out if...

@Rick07200430 @wichman_matthew @CherylSchatz @autocorrect2_0 If the faith of Hymenaeus and Alexander was “shipwrecked” does this mean they are still considered saved? If so, why doesn’t Paul just benc

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-12-11

@LRopa21333 @kenalexander77 @RealDavidReece My take of what the Bible says is that there is a willing mutual submission, not that there is no submission. In the first century, wives’ submission was out of duty, not love like they did for Christ. The ...

@LRopa21333 @kenalexander77 @RealDavidReece My take of what the Bible says is that there is a willing mutual submission, not that there is no submission. In the first century, wives’ submission was ou

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-12-05

@subq Are not Hymenaeus and Alexander full preterists and for this very reason k

@subq Are not Hymenaeus and Alexander full preterists and for this very reason kicked out of the church by Paul? In 2Ti 2:17-18, Paul specifically talks about Hymenaeus and Philetus, who taught that

2Ti 2:17-18 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul is protecting this deceived woman by not nami

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Paul is protecting this deceived woman by not naming her like he names Hymenaeus and Alexander. Since this is a personal letter to a close companion, he only needs to com

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-31

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where? In 1Ti 2:11-15. Paul demonstrates mercy by

@ravensfoodblog @MikeWingerii Where? In 1Ti 2:11-15. Paul demonstrates mercy by not naming this woman teaching false doctrine and instructing that she be taught the truth. Paul does not instruct Timot

1Ti 1:19-20 1Ti 2:11-15 question
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-07-08

@MargMowczko @KaeleyT Paul’s intent in this letter is to encourage and instruct Timothy in stopping false teachers. His noting of how he was ignorant in 1Ti 1:13 and how Hymanaeus and Alexander whom he names blaspheme with knowledge in 1Ti 1:19-20 su...

@MargMowczko @KaeleyT Paul’s intent in this letter is to encourage and instruct Timothy in stopping false teachers. His noting of how he was ignorant in 1Ti 1:13 and how Hymanaeus and Alexander whom h

1Ti 1:13 1Ti 1:19-20 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-18

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And since Paul clearly outlines that there are two kinds of false teachers: those like himself who did not believe in ignorance and were shown mercy (1Ti 1:13) and those who do it with knowledge like Hymanaeus and Alexander and...

@ronhenzel @LynnCDell2 And since Paul clearly outlines that there are two kinds of false teachers: those like himself who did not believe in ignorance and were shown mercy (1Ti 1:13) and those who do

1Ti 1:13 1Ti 1:20 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-10

@JollyStine @ronhenzel The thing is we don’t know much about what Alexander and Hymenaeus were teaching, just that it was very serious. In 2 Tim 2:17-18, Hymenaeus is mentioned again, this time with Philetus, and it is specified that they have “wand...

@JollyStine @ronhenzel The thing is we don’t know much about what Alexander and Hymenaeus were teaching, just that it was very serious. In 2 Tim 2:17-18, Hymenaeus is mentioned again, this time with

2 Tim 2:17-18 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-09

@JollyStine @ronhenzel I agree with a lot of what you are writing, but I don't think this is about withholding sex or that it is necessarily the teaching of Hymenaeus and Alexander. Tasking a young single pastor like Timothy to tell married women to...

@JollyStine @ronhenzel I agree with a lot of what you are writing, but I don't think this is about withholding sex or that it is necessarily the teaching of Hymenaeus and Alexander. Tasking a young s

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-25

@DanielSmithAP2 @normal_catholic @AlexanderPayton No, I believe this is going back to Eve, and the “seed of the woman” as Paul was using the reference to Adam and Eve as a prototype of a situation with a deceived woman who is teaching and a husband w...

@DanielSmithAP2 @normal_catholic @AlexanderPayton No, I believe this is going back to Eve, and the “seed of the woman” as Paul was using the reference to Adam and Eve as a prototype of a situation wit

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Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 2:11-15 specific woman,deception,authenteo,grammar,perfect tense,future tense,anaphoric,egalitarian,ephesus,teknogonia,singular plural,historical perfect,verbal aspect,paul as pattern
Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 1:3-5

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis

1 Timothy 1:3-5 false teaching Ephesus strange doctrines
Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 1:13-16

Sections: cross_references, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 1:13-16 mercy,ignorance,pattern,hybristEs,paul,blasphemer,persecutor,violent aggressor,deception,egalitarian,restoration
Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 1:19-20

Sections: cross_references, exegesis

1 Timothy 1:19-20 Hymenaeus Alexander shipwrecked faith
Theology greek term

ἑτεροδιδασκαλέω (heterodidaskaleo)

to teach differently / to teach strange doctrine

greek
Mike Winger idea 2018-04-11

Reason 5 affirmed and answered: Fulfilled prophecy is the correct test for biblical inspiration, and the Bible passes it

The skeptic argues that an inspired Bible would contain specific, verifiable prophecies — but calls biblical prophecies 'feeble in the extreme.'

Ezekiel Matthew 24 fulfilled prophecy Ezekiel Matthew 24
Mike Winger idea 2018-09-05

Historical fulfillment by Alexander the Great (332 BC): he literally threw the rubble of the mainland city into the sea to build a causeway to the island, fulfilling the 'they' section of the prophecy.

This is the long-term fulfillment — over 200 years after Ezekiel wrote — that even critical scholars concede predates Alexander.

Ezekiel 26 apologetics Bible prophecy Ezekiel 26
Mike Winger idea 2018-09-05

The 'fishermen will cast their nets there' image refers to fishing over the submerged ruins of the city — the city was thrown into the water, so nets were cast on top of it.

Winger addresses a frequently misunderstood phrase in Ezekiel 26.

Ezekiel 26 hermeneutics Bible prophecy Ezekiel 26
Mike Winger idea 2018-09-05

Ra's claim that 'the island was supposed to sink' is not in the text — Ra added that detail to the prophecy; Ezekiel says the city's materials would be cast into the water, not that the island would sink.

Winger identifies a specific case of Ra misrepresenting the Biblical text.

Ezekiel 26 Bible prophecy Ezekiel 26 Aron Ra
Mike Winger idea 2018-09-05

The 'never be rebuilt' clause: Phoenician Tyre was permanently destroyed. What replaced it was a Greek city under Alexander — a new foundation, new population, new identity — not a restoration.

This is the most debated element of the Tyre prophecy; Winger addresses it with historical citations.

Ezekiel 26 apologetics Bible prophecy Ezekiel 26
Mike Winger idea 2018-09-05

The Babylonian Talmud itself treats Zechariah 9:9 as Messianic — debating how to reconcile a glorious coming (Daniel 7) with a humble donkey-riding coming.

Winger uses a Jewish non-Christian source to establish the Messianic reading of Zechariah 9:9.

Zechariah 9:9 Daniel 7 Second Coming apologetics Jesus
Mike Winger idea 2018-12-01

Historical evidence that Herod the Great was extremely paranoid and murderous — he killed three of his own sons and executed hundreds on suspicion alone, making the Massacre of the Innocents entirely consistent with his character

Mike builds a positive case that Herod killing children in Bethlehem is historically plausible

Matthew 2 apologetics historicity Herod the Great
Mike Winger idea 2018-12-01

Refutation: Koine Greek is literally the 'common language' — the word koine means 'common' — it was a simplified lingua franca spread through Alexander the Great's empire, the exact opposite of an elite dialect

Mike corrects the Koine Greek claim with a university linguistics source

apologetics New Testament Koine Greek
Mike Winger idea 2019-02-20

Simon of Cyrene named with his sons Alexander and Rufus as eyewitness sourcing (Mark 15:21)

Another case study in named eyewitness sourcing from the passion narrative.

Mark 15:21 Matthew 27:32 Luke 23:26 eyewitness guarantors named individuals in Gospels passion narrative
Mike Winger idea 2019-02-20

Matthew and Luke drop Alexander and Rufus because their audiences may not know them (or they had died)

Explaining the synoptic variation in Simon of Cyrene accounts.

Mark 15:21 Matthew 27:32 Luke 23:26 named individuals in Gospels legendary name addition theory Mark 15:21
Mike Winger idea 2019-05-08

Ezekiel's prophecy about the destruction of Tyre is a favorite apologetic prophecy, confirmed by non-Jewish and non-Christian historical sources

Response to question about compelling prophecies that might impress atheists

Ezekiel apologetics Ezekiel Tyre
Mike Winger idea 2019-05-16

Prophecy of the destruction of Tyre (Ezekiel 26)

McLatchie presents Ezekiel 26 as a case study in fulfilled non-messianic predictive prophecy.

Ezekiel 26 Ezekiel 26 Nebuchadnezzar Alexander the Great
Mike Winger idea 2019-05-16

Objection and response: the pronoun shift in Ezekiel 26 and Zechariah 9

Addressing the objection that the plural pronoun in Ezekiel 26 still refers only to Nebuchadnezzar.

Ezekiel 26 Zechariah 9 Zechariah 7:1 Ezekiel 26 Alexander the Great prophecy of Tyre
Mike Winger idea 2020-11-06

Socratic approach for witnessing to Mormons about pre-mortal existence: let them make their case first

Responding to Alexander Duncan's question about addressing Mormon belief in pre-mortal existence

Mormonism apologetics pre-mortal existence
Mike Winger idea 2020-10-22

The external evidence (compositional textbooks, Plutarch) is far weaker than claimed. The textbooks never explicitly say "it's acceptable to change historical facts." Plutarch's differences may just be mistakes, not intentional literary devices. Licona admits attributing devices to the Gospels that aren't even found in the textbooks or Plutarch.

Critique of the external evidence for literary devices

Plutarch Mike Licona Mike Licona
Mike Winger idea 2021-07-19

Richard Bauckham's thesis in "Jesus and the Eyewitnesses" is that names appearing in Mark's gospel identify living witnesses known to the community receiving the text. When Mark names Simon of Cyrene "the father of Alexander and Rufus," and Paul greets a "Rufus" in Rome (Rom. 16:13), this likely connects to the same family — confirming these are not invented characters but real people vouching for the account.

Named eyewitnesses in Mark as evidence of historical reliability; Bauckham's thesis

Richard Bauckham Jesus Simon of Cyrene
Pulpit research note

Commentary: Adam's Responsibility — Knowledge and Omission, Not Leadership Rank

Ardavanis says: > "God holds Adam responsible... this is Adam's failure to lead. His sin was that he passively followed his wife's leadership." He also says: "We read in **Ro 5:12** that sin entered

1 Timothy 2:13-14