Where Mike Winger Went Wrong on Women

Comprehensive response to the entire Mike Winger Women in Ministry video series (Parts 1-13)

Obedience is not a secondary issue

The article argues that the restriction on women serving as pastors, grounded in 1 Timothy 2:12, is not a secondary or debatable theological issue but a plain obedience issue. The author contends Paul's prohibition is rooted in creation order (not culture), making it transcultural and non-negotiable, and that egalitarian interpretations require "obliterating" what Paul plainly says. The piece ends with a challenge to egalitarians: what does obedience or disobedience to this passage actually look like?

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong With Genesis 1–3: ‘Was Women’s Submission Just A Curse To Be Overturned?’

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 2 on Genesis 1-3 and whether women's submission was just a curse to be overturned

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 1-2: The Designer Knows Best

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The Dark Side Of Submission

## The Dark Side of Submission

Adams Sin Imputed To Eve

One of the most bizarre teachings of CBMW is the one taught in Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood in chapter 3 written by Raymond C. Ortlund Jr

Satan The Liar 2

We have been looking at Jesus’ words in John 8:44 which says that there is no truth in satan. We are comparing this to satan’s words through the serpent in Genesis 3:5 and God’s words in Genesis 3:22

Women Ministry Sins

*This original post created on August 21, 2008 has been changed/updated on September 11, 2008. I have given the individual listed below time to show integrity by stopping the stalking and the vitriol, but this individual is not repentant nor will she remove the offenses on line

Hierarchical Teaching Influences The Doctrine Of The Trinity

One of the ways that hierarchical teaching has influenced the church since the 1970’s is in the area of the doctrine of the Trinity. In hierarchical teaching, the Trinity is no longer three functionally equal persons who share the same nature

From Bobbed Hair Bossy Wives And Women Preachers To Woman Be Free

I am very pleased that Stan Gundry has given me permission to post his story about how he changed his view from a staunch complementarian to an egalitarian. I would also request that if you have a story about your own journey from prejudice to freedom in Christ regarding women in ministry that you e

If the Bible doesn't teach gender roles, then it doesn't follow that gender is f

If the Bible doesn't teach gender roles, then it doesn't follow that gender is fluid. There's no connection to the two. Egalitarians who rightly divide the Word reject gender roles and gender confusi

2 Peter 3:15-16

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Genesis 3:14-19

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1 Corinthians 14:33-37

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Full summary of Genesis 1-3: Genesis 1 = equal image/dominion; Genesis 2 = different roles with husband's limited leadership; Genesis 3 = the fall makes these roles much harder and introduces abuse.

Comprehensive summary of the video's conclusions

Historical chauvinism and negative attitudes toward women have affected the church

Mike acknowledges that negative attitudes toward women exist in complementarian circles, rooted not just in biblical teaching but in broader cultural attitudes historically hostile to women.

Mike's assessment: egalitarian scholarship on kephale is propped up with misinformation

Mike offers his overall evaluation of egalitarian lexical scholarship.

Homemaking should not be seen as offensive or lesser — cultural distortion

Mike critiques cultural devaluation of homemaking.

2 John 1:7 misapplied: Gnostic/Docetic context

JW distortion of an anti-Gnostic passage

Q&A — Has Mike ever heard Johnson preach a clear gospel message? No — he's heard Johnson affirm the gospel but it's always followed by a pivot to signs and wonders

Q&A question from Chavita

Todd White's ministry approach of showing love and compassion is genuinely effective as a witness — but his repeated formula of 'Jesus thinks you're amazing' strips truth of important counterbalancing truths.

Evaluating the positive and problematic aspects of Todd White's interpersonal approach.

Mike's overall assessment of Todd White: likely sincere, likely a genuine believer, but raised under teachers who are 'off' — inheriting theological distortions from his spiritual mentors.

Personal evaluation of Todd White's character and spiritual state.

Preview of next week's topic: the tactics and distorted scriptures used by extreme healing movements to create unrealistic healing environments in churches — with quotes from movement leaders.

Closing preview of the follow-up livestream.

James 2 is 'radically abused' by false groups to twist the gospel — knowing it is necessary for apologetics

Summary statement on the misuse of James 2

Q&A: What is the atheist's best argument against the God of the Bible?

Question from a viewer: what is the most effective atheist argument?

Winger briefly affirms his critical view of the Passion Translation, calling it 'obviously a distortion' of God's Word, and notes that Bethel Church's promotion of it has increased rather than allayed his concerns about that movement over time.

Q&A: Having favorites is not the same as favoritism — favoritism is the sinful distortion of justice based on preference, not the innocent preference itself

Question from Christian Harold Harrison about favorites and favoritism in sports

Why God cares about sexual ethics: sex is sacred and its distortion is especially dangerous

Winger addresses the common cultural objection — 'Why does God care about my sex life?'

Pornography accelerates the corruption of the sexual mind — it does not cause but amplifies

Q&A question about whether pornography's proliferation promotes acceptance of homosexuality.

Main conclusion from Papias: eyewitness guarantors refute the telephone-game model

Core argument against Ehrman's telephone-game analogy using Papias as evidence.

Ehrman's telephone-game argument as a debate tactic used selectively against less-informed audiences

Mike critiques Ehrman's rhetorical strategy.

Matthew 5:19 (relaxing commandments) is anti-Pharisee polemic, not a universal command to keep the Mosaic Law

Contextual reading of Matthew 5:19 in its Sermon on the Mount setting

God's wrath and love coexist; stripping either distorts the gospel

Mike addresses the theological error of removing wrath from God's character.

Repentance-free Christianity: omission of sin, judgment, and hell produces a distorted gospel

Question from Chip Lutec about self-improvement replacing holiness in modern Christianity.

1 John 3:4-10 does not teach sinless perfectionism — the Greek present tense indicates habitual lifestyle of sin, not single acts

Q14 from Shauna Whitting: Does 1 John 3:4-10 mean you are not a real Christian if you still struggle with sin?

Mike discusses the American Gospel documentary films. Both are valuable against prosperity gospel and progressive distortions, but both have a strong Calvinist slant — especially the second film. Mike (a non-Calvinist) was included in film 2 to round things out but was surprised by how strongly Calvinistic it came across.

American Gospel films — valuable but Calvinistic

Du Toit changes "forgiveness" to "I am-ness" and teaches that the Trinity has four circles (Father, Son, you/me, Holy Spirit). Jesus didn't die to save us from sin but from a wrong mindset. Hell is "just a pathway to heaven."

The Mirror Bible's broader theological distortions