The Debates Over 1 Timothy 2

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 12 on the debates over 1 Timothy 2:11-15

Was the death of Jesus evil? Calvinism and ordained evil

This question is often asked of those of us who do not believe that God initiates evil. If God predestined the death of Jesus, does this mean that God commanded or ordained the evil acts of men? A Calvinist website describes God’s ordaining of evil this way:

Specific Or General Woman

This post will be an expansion on the reasons why I believe that 1 Timothy 2:11-15 is about one specific woman and why a general reference to women does not line up with the grammar within the surrounding context. I will also consider the challenge to my view from the new verbal aspect theory

Neopatriarch Once Again Fails To Refute Cheryl Schatz

## Challenging my position that 1 Timothy 2:15 is a single woman

Reading The Scriptures Without A Male Bias

In the beginning God made male and female. Together they were to do God’s work on earth but unfortunately the fall happened and their work done together as equals was challenged by the man who took the sole rule for himself

Women Teaching Mens Prejudice And Gods Glory

Many complementarians have been so used to hearing what women are not allowed to do in the body of Christ rather than what scripture says women should do as followers of Christ, that the focus has become automatically set to see restrictions when the subject of women in ministry is discussed. With t

Is Short Hair A Sin For A Woman

Continuing on with our verse by verse discussion through the section of 1 Corinthians 11 about women, we come to verse 13:

The Man Is The Image And Glory Of God

Last post we discussed how the head covering shamed Christ. Before we carry on with 1 Corinthians 11:5 in our verse by verse discussion, I want to skip over to verse 7 to discuss the second reason that a man is not to have his head covered and this has to do with honoring his head

Does God Have One Unique Law Part Three

In this part three of “Does God have one unique law. ” we will be discussing the last set of circumstances that set apart the “law” that complementarians say God made that forbids godly Christian women from teaching correct biblical doctrine to men

Does God Have One Unique Law Part Two

Complementarians have stated that God has a law that forbids godly Christian women from teaching correct biblical doctrine to men. This law, they say, is revealed in 1 Timothy 2:12

What Does 1 Timothy 211 15 Mean

I was challenged to present my view of 1 Timothy 2:11-15 on another blog and I thought it would be good to summarize my view on my own blog. Here is the teaching from “Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free

@pauldirks However... - Bonaventure taught that salvation is a cooperative process between divine grace and human free will. - Bonaventure seems to also affirm that good works, enabled by grace, contribute to salvation (aligned with RC theology). - A...

@pauldirks However... - Bonaventure taught that salvation is a cooperative process between divine grace and human free will. - Bonaventure seems to also affirm that good works, enabled by grace, contr

@VirgilWalkerOMA as a means to point to which of them is godly and should be listened to. Paul says that this is not an appropriate response to false teaching, but rather godliness should be demonstrated by good works. Going from all people, to all ...

@VirgilWalkerOMA as a means to point to which of them is godly and should be listened to. Paul says that this is not an appropriate response to false teaching, but rather godliness should be demonstra

1 Timothy 2:11-15

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1 Timothy 2:1-7

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1 Timothy 2:8-10

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Romans 12:4-8

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Titus 2:11

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προΐστημι (proistemi)

to lead, to manage, to be over, to care for

Belleville's case for women elders from 1 Timothy 5:9-10 (enrolled widows)

Mike examines Belleville's argument that enrolled widows were functioning as elders.

Principle: caring about witness doesn't make behavior merely cultural

Mike draws the general principle from the Titus 2 analysis.

Overview of 1 Timothy 2:8-15 in full context

Mike reads through the full passage and establishes the broader context of 1 Timothy as a letter about church order.

Harmonization: James perfectly harmonizes with Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians when properly interpreted

Showing that the Protestant reading creates biblical coherence

Ephesians 2:10 — 'created for good works which God prepared beforehand' — saved FOR works, not BY works

Using Ephesians 2:10 to show the role of works in salvation

Ephesians 2:8-10 echoes James: saved by grace not works (vv.8-9), then created for good works (v.10)

Final synthesis between Ephesians and James

CoG uses the Queen's Award for Voluntary Service as propaganda to signal divine legitimacy — Jesus explicitly condemned this kind of public righteousness display

CoG prominently features the Queen's Award on its website and presents it to members as evidence they are the true Church of God.

Parable of the Ten Virgins (Matthew 25:1-13) — a warning about authentic faith, not about percentages of saved vs. unsaved

Question from Gloria Urban about whether Matthew 25:1-13 teaches that half the church will not be saved.

1 Corinthians 3 — believers are judged at the Bema for their works (gold/silver/precious stones vs. wood/hay/straw), not for salvation

Question from Emily Bain about how forgiveness of sins relates to judgment day.

Evangelism through good works must be coupled with verbal proclamation of the gospel

Question from Samuel Nelson about extravagant mission trips vs. evangelizing by acting good in the world.

Distinguishing the Holy Spirit's burden from personal obsession

Listener Keys of the Kingdom wonders whether concern about a friend who broke contact is the Spirit's prompting or personal obsession.

Modern (rabbinic) Judaism differs fundamentally from biblical Judaism; good works now replace the sacrificial system.

Question 9 from Meg Smiley about how Jews obtain forgiveness without the Temple.

Q: Does "saved by faith alone" mean you can sin and still be saved? In one sense yes — salvation is grounded on grace, not works (Romans 5: "having been justified by grace, we have peace with God"). But genuine salvation produces the Holy Spirit, which works out into good works. Works are evidence of salvation, not the means of maintaining it. A person living in reckless sin may never have been saved.

Q&A — faith alone and ongoing sin

Works come AFTER salvation, not before. Ephesians 2:8-10: saved by grace through faith, not of works — but created in Christ Jesus FOR good works. You don't earn forgiveness; you receive it and then good works flow from the new life. The danger: thinking you need to be a better person first.

Works after salvation — Ephesians 2:8-10

Mark 9:35: "If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all." Jesus flips worldly leadership upside down. Parallel: Matthew 6:1-6 — Pharisees do good works for human recognition and get no reward from God. 1 Peter 5:3: lead by example, don't lord over people. The test: if everyone treated people the way you treat people, would it make a healthy church?

Servant leadership vs worldly leadership

Q&A: Will saved Christians be punished on Judgment Day? Not punished in the hell sense — Jesus took that punishment. But 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 shows believers' works will be tested by fire: gold/silver/precious stones survive (pure ministry); wood/hay/straw burn up (compromised service). The person is saved but may suffer loss of ALL rewards. 2 Corinthians 5:10: we receive what is due for what we've done — this is loss of reward, not punishment.

Q&A — believers' judgment and rewards

Reconciling 2 Important Verses/Worldly Christians?: Can you explain Matthew 7: 21 vs. Romans 10: 13? Also, how do you spot worldly Christians (1 Corinthians 3:1) from those who are unsaved but have good works (Matthew 7: 22-23)? Shouldn't we have grace for sanctification?

Q&A question: Reconciling 2 Important Verses/Worldly Christians?

Surrendering to God when it’s Difficult: I'm double-minded and depressed. I want real salvation but have a hard time fully surrendering. Good works and prayer feel like pushing a boulder up a hill. Any advice?

Q&A question: Surrendering to God when it’s Difficult

Explaining a Confusing Passage of Scripture: Is the man in Matthew 22: 11-13 thrown out for not doing good works, considering Revelation 19:8?

Q&A question: Explaining a Confusing Passage of Scripture

Did Jesus Contradict Himself?: Why would Jesus instruct us to let our good works be seen by others (Matthew 5: 16) if He also instructed us to do our good works in secret (Matthew 6:1-4)? Am I misunderstanding something?

Q&A question: Did Jesus Contradict Himself?

Ethical & Happy Non-Christians?: Can unsaved people “do good works”? Why do unsaved people often appear to be happy and live seemingly ethical lives?

Q&A question: Ethical & Happy Non-Christians?

Overcoming the Grip of Sin: What’s the balance between the Holy Spirit changing us, and us trying to do good works and love God? I just feel so stuck in my sin. I don’t know how to get out of this habit. I’m scared my repentance isn’t real.

Q&A question: Overcoming the Grip of Sin

The Merit of Good Works Is To Be Attributed in the First Place to the Grace of God and Then to the Faithful

If Anyone Says that the Justice Received Is Not Preserved and Also Not Increased before God through Good Works but that those Works Are Merely the Fruits and Signs of Justification Obtained but Not the Cause of Its Increase