What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: “Women Keep Silent” (1 Cor 14:34–35)

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 11 on 'women keep silent' in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Women Apostles

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 5 on whether women were apostles in the New Testament

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 5-7: 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Timothy 3, Galatians 3:28

[Music] the women are to keep silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak but are to subject themselves just as the law also says if they desire to learn anything let them ask their own husbands at home for it is improper for a woman to speak in church 1 Corinthians 14 has been a diff...

Two Gifts Or One

The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one

Evaluating Schatz Seaver Debate

On July 27th, 2009 Mike Seaver and I started a ten session debate on Women in Ministry where I was able to ask Mike questions on his position, he answered my questions and then we each had one response. Mike is still considering whether he will continue with another ten sessions where Mike will ask

Mike Seaver Cheryl Schatz 10

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Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Debate 8

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 7

Wayne Grudem 3

This is the part 3 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his third question and my own answer

Semigalitariansim And Feminist Air

When does explaining God’s Word make one an enemy of the church. According to Mike Seaver, a woman who is allowed to teach the Word of God to men, even if she is under the authority of her husband and even if she has received authority from her pastor to teach the Bible (and assuming her pastor is m

Paul As He Pleases 9

This is the ninth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

1 Cor14 Concludes

We have been going through 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, the passage that appears to silence women in the church to see how carefully Paul has constructed his words in 1 Corinthians 14:36 to contradict the silencing in verses 34 & 35. (For past articles on this topic, please see the 1 Corinthians 14 secti

Forbid Not

Paul said something profound in 1 Corinthians 14:39 that goes against the grain of the hierarchical mindset. Paul said “forbid not to speak…”

Who Dared To Contradict Paul

Many people have a big problem with Paul because they think that he was sexist. I would like to change that point of view by looking carefully at the text so that we can fully appreciate Paul for who he was, not the false impression that we have of Paul

Is Complementarianism Merely Personal Conviction

This post is a response to Randy Stinson’s article titled “ Is Complementarianism a Merely Personal Conviction. “

Are Gods Gifts Segregated

Segregation is the policy or practice of separating people of different races, classes, or ethnic groups. The question for this post – are God’s gifts meant to be segregated into races, classes or ethnic groups

Are Womens Gifts To Be Used Outside The Church

In my blog entry called “ Are women’s gifts secondary. ” I documented the complementarian teaching that women’s gifts are secondary to men’s gifts and that women to use their gifts outside the church

Are Womens Gifts Secondary

Last post we referenced 1 Corinthians 12:7 teaching us that the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good of the body of Christ. But are women’s gifts somehow secondary

Are Womens Gifts For The Common Good

Today I am starting a new set of posts on the spiritual gifts which are given to each person in the body of Christ. I would like to start with 1 Corinthians 12:7

@ymmotrojam @MattSmethurst Do you think if only half gather on a week that your restrictions no longer apply? Is that what all means? In fact, the text says if all speak in tongues and then says positively all prophesying. Do all prophesy in your ch...

@ymmotrojam @MattSmethurst Do you think if only half gather on a week that your restrictions no longer apply? Is that what all means? In fact, the text says if all speak in tongues and then says posi

@carol66944 @KennethOrtiz @BronWen727104 @Paula_333 The entire of 1Cor 14 is talking about doing everything for the edification of everyone. So public speaking in tongues should stop unless there is an interpreter. Speaking all at the same time shoul...

@carol66944 @KennethOrtiz @BronWen727104 @Paula_333 The entire of 1Cor 14 is talking about doing everything for the edification of everyone. So public speaking in tongues should stop unless there is a

@prejoal @smashbaals No, Paul isn’t emphasizing the Jewish traditions of subjecting their wives but ensuring that in the congregation people weren’t all speaking at the same time and that they were not speaking in foreign tongues without interpretati...

@prejoal @smashbaals No, Paul isn’t emphasizing the Jewish traditions of subjecting their wives but ensuring that in the congregation people weren’t all speaking at the same time and that they were no

@RushiXmakima @Geox19 Hinn's antics have nothing to do with 1Co 14:23 though. Pa

@RushiXmakima @Geox19 Hinn's antics have nothing to do with 1Co 14:23 though. Paul's point is that if everyone is speaking in foreign tongues, it doesn't impact the visitor like prophecy⎯presuming the

@ronhenzel @kennyinnes My church doesn’t encourage prophecy and tongues because of Asuza but because of 1Co 12-14. The idea that understanding and exhortation is not necessary after the final sentence of Revelation was penned is clearly fallacious. ...

@ronhenzel @kennyinnes My church doesn’t encourage prophecy and tongues because of Asuza but because of 1Co 12-14. The idea that understanding and exhortation is not necessary after the final sentenc

@kennyinnes @ronhenzel Exactly. And without a single command in scripture as to

@kennyinnes @ronhenzel Exactly. And without a single command in scripture as to when we are to disregard the commands Paul gives to eagerly desire to prophecy and to not forbid tongues, cessationists

@ronhenzel Paul literally says in the next chapter to *earnestly desire* to prop

@ronhenzel Paul literally says in the next chapter to *earnestly desire* to prophesy and to *not forbid* speaking in tongues—both are in the imperative. "Therefore, my brothers and sisters, earnestly

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy...

@ymmotrojam @pastherandie @ronhenzel @kriesese @smashbaals You are saying that Paul doesn't want the women to contribute to the learning of the community: 14:1 - "Pursue love, yet earnestly desire spi

@aubriejwilliams @MikeWingerii You are not following my logic. I’m talking about Mike’s advising people to loudly leave, causing waves and taking people with them. If you prefer a male pastor and elders, then graciously and peacefully leave and go to...

@aubriejwilliams @MikeWingerii You are not following my logic. I’m talking about Mike’s advising people to loudly leave, causing waves and taking people with them. If you prefer a male pastor and elde

@felipeswife 1 Cor 14 talks about 2 or 3 people prophesying, plus all the other ways to contribute like prayers, tongues and interpretation, words of knowledge, etc. I think if more people came with the expectation of contributing rather than just c...

@felipeswife 1 Cor 14 talks about 2 or 3 people prophesying, plus all the other ways to contribute like prayers, tongues and interpretation, words of knowledge, etc. I think if more people came with

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I could have been clearer in that post as I was trying to highlight a problem with how the Corinthians were doing tongues. The problem was that Paul was dealing with a situation in which they were all speaking in tongues a...

@ich1ban123456 @ymmotrojam I could have been clearer in that post as I was trying to highlight a problem with how the Corinthians were doing tongues. The problem was that Paul was dealing with a situ

@ymmotrojam It's the number of people all speaking at the same time in foreign t

@ymmotrojam It's the number of people all speaking at the same time in foreign tongues that Paul is concerned about. You don't see that?

@ymmotrojam Paul's point here is constructing a sort of worst case scenario, that is⎯if the entire church gathers and a large group all speaks in foreign tongues, there will be no way anyone could understand anything. It's one thing if 5 people are ...

@ymmotrojam Paul's point here is constructing a sort of worst case scenario, that is⎯if the entire church gathers and a large group all speaks in foreign tongues, there will be no way anyone could und

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 You are explicitly commanded to not forbid speaking in tongues. And if you do not forbid this, then speaking in an intelligent language (which is far better according to Paul) should not be forbidden either. But you are f...

@ymmotrojam @ich1ban123456 You are explicitly commanded to not forbid speaking in tongues. And if you do not forbid this, then speaking in an intelligent language (which is far better according to Pa

@PastorSJCamp Thanks for sharing those reflections! Without seeing the film, I was thinking maybe they meant that there was no new revelation, as in adding to scripture. But it seems that they don't understand valid prophecy and tongues, which is p...

@PastorSJCamp Thanks for sharing those reflections! Without seeing the film, I was thinking maybe they meant that there was no new revelation, as in adding to scripture. But it seems that they don't

It seems there’s a resurgence in teaching that the spiritual gifts like tongues

It seems there’s a resurgence in teaching that the spiritual gifts like tongues and prophecy are not for today. I disagree! https://t.co/a5e5jKsby1

@MAClark85 I don’t think you understand the point of tongues and prophecy. I don’t think people were madly recording everything everyone said in the Corinthian church to put in into a collection of prophecies in the Bible. Prophecy is also explaini...

@MAClark85 I don’t think you understand the point of tongues and prophecy. I don’t think people were madly recording everything everyone said in the Corinthian church to put in into a collection of p

@BogdanOancea77 I left out tongues because Twitter limits the characters in my post when I post a thread all at once, so I wanted to highlight the parts. As for your comment "Praying in tongues & prophesying was allowed for everybody": a. About ...

@BogdanOancea77 I left out tongues because Twitter limits the characters in my post when I post a thread all at once, so I wanted to highlight the parts. As for your comment "Praying in tongues &

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz There were too much tongues so some Judaizers came in and tried to fix things by saying “women shouldn’t speak”. To them, having come from a Jewish context it would have been you heard of to have women speak. Paul...

@ymmotrojam @brmorris @CherylSchatz There were too much tongues so some Judaizers came in and tried to fix things by saying “women shouldn’t speak”. To them, having come from a Jewish context it would

1 Corinthians 12:28

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1 Corinthians 14:1, 5

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1 Corinthians 14:12, 16, 29-31

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1 Corinthians 14:23-25

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Acts 2:17-18

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1 Corinthians 14:33-37

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1 Corinthians 14:26

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Joel 2:28-29

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ἰδιώτης (idiōtēs)

ordinary person / ungifted one / uninitiated

ὥστε (hoste)

therefore, so then, consequently

μὴ κωλύετε (me koluete)

do not forbid, stop forbidding

προφητεύσουσιν (prophēteusousin)

they will prophesy (future active indicative, 3rd plural)