What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Women Apostles

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 5 on whether women were apostles in the New Testament

@prot_zoomer @restoredkgdm @rightresponsem First, if Paul was just getting what was due to him, why was it that all the apostles were martyred except John, who purportedly only survived the martyrdom attempt? And why didn’t Jesus stone the woman cau...

@prot_zoomer @restoredkgdm @rightresponsem First, if Paul was just getting what was due to him, why was it that all the apostles were martyred except John, who purportedly only survived the martyrdom

@MikeStalingrad @BeanofChrist @jtdxn_ Show me a single example of where the Apostles interpreted this as taking a place in government. None of them did. And they were all martyred for preaching the gospel, not for trying to enact anti-abortion laws (...

@MikeStalingrad @BeanofChrist @jtdxn_ Show me a single example of where the Apostles interpreted this as taking a place in government. None of them did. And they were all martyred for preaching the go

@smashbaals Imagine if Jesus and the apostles had only figured this one out, the

@smashbaals Imagine if Jesus and the apostles had only figured this one out, they wouldn’t have all gotten martyred.

@William_E_Wolfe @BenZeisloft Where does the first century church give us the ex

@William_E_Wolfe @BenZeisloft Where does the first century church give us the example of bearing arms when their apostles will nearly all martyred and many of whom also were facing a similar fate? htt

@BenZeisloft @William_E_Wolfe @RightWingWatch Please show me where we have anything similar in the early church whose apostles were nearly all martyred and whom many were also under the same demise. Where was the call to arms for self defence? I’m ...

@BenZeisloft @William_E_Wolfe @RightWingWatch Please show me where we have anything similar in the early church whose apostles were nearly all martyred and whom many were also under the same demise.

@William_E_Wolfe I’m still waiting to hear what your justification is for callin

@William_E_Wolfe I’m still waiting to hear what your justification is for calling Christians to bear arms based on the actions of the early church whose apostles were nearly all martyred and whom many

@William_E_Wolfe @G3Conference @ScottAniol “…if we fail to act in the call to arms then we are cowards.” The first century church had all its apostles aside from 1 martyred and many Christians hung on crosses and used as torches. Show me where any ...

@William_E_Wolfe @G3Conference @ScottAniol “…if we fail to act in the call to arms then we are cowards.” The first century church had all its apostles aside from 1 martyred and many Christians hung o

Backstory: Mike's Ezekiel 26 video was given to Aaron Ra as a fulfilled prophecy example

A Twitter user named Ichabod linked Mike's Ezekiel 26 video in response to Aaron Ra's request for fulfilled prophecy examples

Reason 5 affirmed and answered: Fulfilled prophecy is the correct test for biblical inspiration, and the Bible passes it

The skeptic argues that an inspired Bible would contain specific, verifiable prophecies — but calls biblical prophecies 'feeble in the extreme.'

Recap of Part 1: Aron Ra's list of supposed Messianic qualifications Jesus failed to meet was demonstrably wrong on its own terms.

Brief summary of last week's content before picking up where it left off.

Introduction to Ezekiel 26 — the destruction of Tyre prophecy. Ra claims every part of it failed.

Winger sets up the main prophecy for the session, noting Ra will claim total failure before Winger walks through the text.

Historical and geographical background of Tyre: capital of Phoenicia, queen of the Mediterranean trade routes, considered impregnable after 2,000 years of continuous occupation.

Winger provides context to show why the Tyre prophecy is significant and remarkable.

Ezekiel 26 text walkthrough: the prophecy uses two distinct sets of pronouns — 'he' (Nebuchadnezzar) and 'they' (multiple later nations) — specifying different actors for different actions.

This pronoun distinction is the key to properly understanding the prophecy and refuting Ra's objection.

Historical fulfillment by Nebuchadnezzar: 13-year siege of Tyre (mainland). The people relocated to the island during the siege, so Nebuchadnezzar entered an empty city.

Winger narrates the secular historical record of Nebuchadnezzar's siege to show what the 'he' pronoun delivered.

Historical fulfillment by Alexander the Great (332 BC): he literally threw the rubble of the mainland city into the sea to build a causeway to the island, fulfilling the 'they' section of the prophecy.

This is the long-term fulfillment — over 200 years after Ezekiel wrote — that even critical scholars concede predates Alexander.

The 'fishermen will cast their nets there' image refers to fishing over the submerged ruins of the city — the city was thrown into the water, so nets were cast on top of it.

Winger addresses a frequently misunderstood phrase in Ezekiel 26.

Ra's claim that 'the island was supposed to sink' is not in the text — Ra added that detail to the prophecy; Ezekiel says the city's materials would be cast into the water, not that the island would sink.

Winger identifies a specific case of Ra misrepresenting the Biblical text.

The 'never be rebuilt' clause: Phoenician Tyre was permanently destroyed. What replaced it was a Greek city under Alexander — a new foundation, new population, new identity — not a restoration.

This is the most debated element of the Tyre prophecy; Winger addresses it with historical citations.

Summary assessment of the Tyre prophecy: Ra misrepresented the text on multiple points; the prophecy succeeds on every claim actually made in Ezekiel 26.

Winger closes his Tyre analysis and transitions to addressing Ra's rhetorical style.

Why didn't Bible prophecy predict airplanes or the internet? The Bible was meant to be evidence for all generations across history, not optimized for the 21st century.

Ra asks why 'seers' who could foresee the distant future never mentioned modern technology.

Matthew 11:20-22 — Jesus declares that judgment will be 'more bearable' for Tyre and Sidon than for Chorazin and Bethsaida, indicating degrees of future condemnation.

Mike looks at Jesus' words about future judgment to show that not only are some sins worse, but the punishments in final judgment are also graduated.

Genuine predictive prophecy — written and datable before events — is a test that secular authors cannot pass. Psalm 22 and Isaiah 52-53 describe crucifixion details before the method was invented; Ezekiel 26 predicts the destruction of Tyre. Combined with historical confirmation that the events occurred, fulfilled prophecy supports divine inspiration.

Ignatius of Antioch — two letters (Smyrnaeans and Romans) as early second-century evidence for Peter's martyrdom and bodily resurrection conviction

Additional patristic source for Peter's martyrdom and the bodily nature of the resurrection

Additional sources confirming James's martyrdom: First Apocalypse of James, Second Apocalypse of James, Pseudo-Clementine Recognitions (c. 280 AD)

Multiple independent streams of tradition confirming James's martyrdom

Ezekiel's prophecy about the destruction of Tyre is a favorite apologetic prophecy, confirmed by non-Jewish and non-Christian historical sources

Response to question about compelling prophecies that might impress atheists

Q&A: Winger has not fully responded to Digital Hammurabi's rebuttal of his Tyre prophecy video — discusses the two main counter-points

Apologetics discussion about Ezekiel's Tyre prophecy

Prophecy of the destruction of Tyre (Ezekiel 26)

McLatchie presents Ezekiel 26 as a case study in fulfilled non-messianic predictive prophecy.

Objection and response: the pronoun shift in Ezekiel 26 and Zechariah 9

Addressing the objection that the plural pronoun in Ezekiel 26 still refers only to Nebuchadnezzar.

Q&A: Does Matthew 11:21-22 (Tyre and Sidon) challenge Calvinism?

Viewer question from James Giorgio

Scriptural language about things not being "remembered" in heaven means no bitter grief, not literal loss of memory

Side note during the heaven/marriage question, addressing a teaching that people will have no memories in heaven based on Isaiah.

Revelation: saints in heaven concerned for earthly events, asking "how long, Lord?"

Continuing discussion on dead's awareness of earth

Hope for abusive pastors: the disciples who asked for thrones became the greatest servants in church history. James was the first apostle martyred; John served faithfully into old age. Jesus didn't disqualify them for their worldly ambitions — he corrected them and they changed. The same transformation is available today. But it requires: (1) honest self-examination, (2) willingness to be corrected, (3) choosing service over authority.

Hope for transformation — disciples changed

Comparing Paul & Joseph Smith: Compared with Paul, is Joseph Smith such a novelty? E.g., they both had a vision of Jesus only they reported on, introduced new teachings, weren’t prophesied of by Jesus, and were martyred as result of ministry.

Q&A question: Comparing Paul & Joseph Smith

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Verse-by-verse teaching through Ephesians 5:21-24. Examines mutual submission and the meaning of "wives submit" in its literary and historical context.

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Verse-by-verse teaching through Ephesians 5:25-33. Examines what headship means — sacrificial love modeled on Christ, not authority or rule over.

Does the Bible Really Demand Gender Roles? | Ephesians 6:1-9 - Conrad Macintyre

Verse-by-verse teaching through Ephesians 6:1-9. Examines the household code structure and whether it prescribes fixed gender roles or reflects a trajectory toward mutual dignity.