What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: “Women Keep Silent” (1 Cor 14:34–35)

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 11 on 'women keep silent' in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 5-7: 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Timothy 3, Galatians 3:28

[Music] the women are to keep silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak but are to subject themselves just as the law also says if they desire to learn anything let them ask their own husbands at home for it is improper for a woman to speak in church 1 Corinthians 14 has been a diff...

Stubble Straw And Scarecrows Diane Sellner

In 2006 my DVD Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free came out and since that time I have seen my share of scarecrows who are intent on destroying the message of women in ministry. One such scarecrow refuses to go away and it is time to create a blog post where others who have been hurt by the issue

Masculine Christianity

This is part 2 of What God intended at creation and it is inspired by a recent lecture given by John Piper where he states that God’s intention for Christianity is for it to have a “ masculine feel “. After discussing John Piper’s Masculine Christianity, I will give my critique of his masculine argu

Phil Johnson Monstrous Divas

Phil Johnson over at Pyromaniacs has struck up some heat on a post that he titles “The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of the Discernment Divas”. In this post and in his subsequent comments he makes his position plain that women are not allowed to publicly point out an erro

Calling God To Account

While God is Sovereign, some men believe that they can set a limit on God’s gifts. In the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s doctrinal stand, they believe that God is allowed to distribute gifts to men and women alike with the gifts listed in 1 Cor

Women More Easily Deceived

Another reason some complementarians claim for denying women opportunities to minister in the church is that it is said that women are more easily deceived than men so men alone are permitted to minister in the church. A good example of this kind of rationale is found here with this excerpt:

Adam Names Eve

One of the positions that complementarians commonly hold is that male and female were created with distinct roles so that one (the male) is said to have been given the authority over the other (the female) and the fact that Adam names Eve is used as proof of the man’s authority. CMBW (The Council on

Does God Torment Women

## Is it a sin for a woman

Church Led By Woman Pastor Is Forced Out Of Gbc

On November 11, 2009, the Georgia Baptist Convention adopted a policy that ended its 148-year relationship with First Baptist Church of Decatur, Georgia. According to the Associated Baptist News ,

Evaluating Schatz Seaver Debate

On July 27th, 2009 Mike Seaver and I started a ten session debate on Women in Ministry where I was able to ask Mike questions on his position, he answered my questions and then we each had one response. Mike is still considering whether he will continue with another ten sessions where Mike will ask

Mike Seaver Cheryl Schatz 10

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Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Debate 8

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Discussdebate Women In Ministry 4

## Are Witnesses and Repetition needed to Prove Women may not teach the Bible

Neopatriarch Fails To Refute Cheryl

Some have wondered why “Chris” the complementarian stopped posting here. Apparently, he could not get his refutation of my work to stand in an interactive forum so he moved it over to a place where he could have the floor to himself

Paul As He Pleases 9

This is the ninth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

Interview With The Apostle Paul

This post will be a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. We are interested in asking Paul his reasons for what he wrote about women and what he thin

A Christmas Post Does The Star Of Bethlehem Belong To Satan Or God

While this post isn’t exactly a “Women in Ministry” post, I think it does highlight the importance of men and women working together in complementary ways for the benefit of the body of Christ and for ministry to the lost. God often uses women in ways that are different than he uses men simply becau

1 Cor14 Concludes

We have been going through 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, the passage that appears to silence women in the church to see how carefully Paul has constructed his words in 1 Corinthians 14:36 to contradict the silencing in verses 34 & 35. (For past articles on this topic, please see the 1 Corinthians 14 secti

Forbid Not

Paul said something profound in 1 Corinthians 14:39 that goes against the grain of the hierarchical mindset. Paul said “forbid not to speak…”

Public Statement Regarding Matt Slick

Public Statement regarding the Cheryl Schatz initiated Matthew 18 meeting with Matt Slick (CARM)

Ministry Produces Fear

Wade Burleson has produced a thought-provoking article about character assassination that comes as a result of fear. Wade writes :

Irving Bible Church

In the news is Irving Bible Church who recently took 18 months to study the issue of women in ministry from the scriptures, and now they have implemented a clarification of their position on women regarding the use of their God-given gifts for the common good. They have produced a 24 page paper on W

Asking Right Questions

Have you ever found that your discussions with hierarchists goes nowhere fast because they say they have heard the egalitarian arguments before and they are not willing to listen to what you have to say. Perhaps we are missing an opportunity to engage them because we are wanting to teach them first

Is Pastor One Of The Spiritual Gifts

While some people consider a “Pastor” to be an office, scripture lists “Pastor” as a spiritual gift in Ephesians 4:8-11

Debating On Women Pastors

Did you ever feel pulled in a direction you really didn’t want to go in. Well, this has been my life for the last 3 1/2 years

Are Gods Gifts Segregated

Segregation is the policy or practice of separating people of different races, classes, or ethnic groups. The question for this post – are God’s gifts meant to be segregated into races, classes or ethnic groups

Are Womens Gifts Secondary

Last post we referenced 1 Corinthians 12:7 teaching us that the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good of the body of Christ. But are women’s gifts somehow secondary

Are Womens Gifts For The Common Good

Today I am starting a new set of posts on the spiritual gifts which are given to each person in the body of Christ. I would like to start with 1 Corinthians 12:7

@freedom4alltime Yes, this is a problem, but it isn’t due to one gender⎯ and yes

@freedom4alltime Yes, this is a problem, but it isn’t due to one gender⎯ and yes the older women should be involved in mentoring the younger ones, older men mentoring the younger. Yet the gifts are al

@pauldirks @KaeleyT Thanks for the response and clarifications. To answer your first questions: The Bible argues that God has instituted authorities to maintain order and serve the common good. Romans 13:1-7 is a central passage that addresses this...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT Thanks for the response and clarifications. To answer your first questions: The Bible argues that God has instituted authorities to maintain order and serve the common good. Roma

22/23🧵Question: How does stopping women edify the church? What does Paul have to say to those who disregard his instructions that ALL are to excel in spiritual gifts to EDIFY the church (v12) for the COMMON good (v7) and for edification (v26)? He t...

22/23🧵Question: How does stopping women edify the church? What does Paul have to say to those who disregard his instructions that ALL are to excel in spiritual gifts to EDIFY the church (v12) for the

1 Corinthians 12:7

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1 Corinthians 14:1, 5

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1 Corinthians 14:12, 16, 29-31

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Luke 24:1-26

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Galatians 3:26-29

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Acts 2:17-18

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Acts 18:24-26

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1 Corinthians 14:33-37

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Romans 12:4-8

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1 Corinthians 14:26

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Exodus 35:4-29

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συμφέρον (sympheron)

common good / what is beneficial

ζηλοῦτε (zēloute)

desire earnestly / be zealous for

διακρίνω (diakrino)

to discern, to evaluate, to judge

Philip Payne's two-part argument: complementarians either assume God never gives women certain gifts OR they wrongly restrict those gifts

Mike presents Philip Payne's formulation of the gifts argument.

Second part of gifts argument: Philip Payne says gifts are 'for the common good' so you cannot restrict who a woman teaches

Mike addresses the more challenging claim from Payne.

Rebutting Payne's 'for the common good' argument: Paul meant gifts should benefit others, not that all gifts must be expressed Sunday morning in front of everyone

Mike directly addresses Philip Payne's use of 1 Corinthians 12:7.

Status-Seeking as the Primary Issue in 1 Corinthians — Not Merely Order

Pastor Brett Landry's reading — that the Corinthians' primary problem was status-seeking and self-promotion, with disorder being the symptom rather than the disease — represents the dominant scholarly