1 Corinthians 14
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1 Corinthians 14 — Research Notes (Cheryl Schatz)
Collection of 5 research notes examining 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, including the eta particle argument for quotation/refutation reading, the non-existent 'law' reference, segregated seating problems, and commentary from RtNT and Bender showing contradictions with Paul's affirmation of women prophesying.
What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: “Women Keep Silent” (1 Cor 14:34–35)
Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 11 on 'women keep silent' in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 5-7: 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Timothy 3, Galatians 3:28
[Music] the women are to keep silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak but are to subject themselves just as the law also says if they desire to learn anything let them ask their own husbands at home for it is improper for a woman to speak in church 1 Corinthians 14 has been a diff...
Why Let Women Lead Bible Studies
CBMW (Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) has set itself up as a go-to organization for those complementarians who have not been able to figure out from the Bible which things are allowable for women and which things are not. But does their counsel exceed the Bible
Women More Easily Deceived
Another reason some complementarians claim for denying women opportunities to minister in the church is that it is said that women are more easily deceived than men so men alone are permitted to minister in the church. A good example of this kind of rationale is found here with this excerpt:
Two Gifts Or One
The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one
Evaluating Schatz Seaver Debate
On July 27th, 2009 Mike Seaver and I started a ten session debate on Women in Ministry where I was able to ask Mike questions on his position, he answered my questions and then we each had one response. Mike is still considering whether he will continue with another ten sessions where Mike will ask
Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 9
Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Discussdebate Women In Ministry 4
## Are Witnesses and Repetition needed to Prove Women may not teach the Bible
Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 2
## Facing the spiritual “law” head-on from 1 Corinthians 14
Wayne Grudem 3
This is the part 3 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his third question and my own answer
Paul As He Pleases 9
This is the ninth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day
Interview With The Apostle Paul
This post will be a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. We are interested in asking Paul his reasons for what he wrote about women and what he thin
Do Egalitarians Twist The Scriptures
The charge is often laid that egalitarians twist the scriptures. I would like to apply a saying that I read recently
The All New 1 Corinthians 1434 35 Church
I don’t do “humor” too much on this blog, although I love humor and I love to laugh. The issue of women in ministry is normally a serious one but I couldn’t resist this funny cover that comes from my friend Pastor Jon Zens
Galatians 328 Is It Only About Salvation
According to complementarians, Galatians 3:28 is not about equality in Christ, but about all of us being in the same “boat” of salvation. The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) has made quite an effort to try to demolish Galatians 3:28 as a basis of spiritual equality outside of salvat
1 Cor14 Concludes
We have been going through 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, the passage that appears to silence women in the church to see how carefully Paul has constructed his words in 1 Corinthians 14:36 to contradict the silencing in verses 34 & 35. (For past articles on this topic, please see the 1 Corinthians 14 secti
Let Her Learnor Not
In our continuing discussion of 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, we come to the problematic area of learning
Forbid Not
Paul said something profound in 1 Corinthians 14:39 that goes against the grain of the hierarchical mindset. Paul said “forbid not to speak…”
Who Dared To Contradict Paul
Many people have a big problem with Paul because they think that he was sexist. I would like to change that point of view by looking carefully at the text so that we can fully appreciate Paul for who he was, not the false impression that we have of Paul
Is A Womans Voice Filthy
In the last post we talked about how there is no “law” in the Old Testament scriptures that forced women to be silent in the assembly so the reference in 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 had to be some other “law” that forced silence on women. The “law” that silences women is found not in God’s law, but in t
The Elusive Law
1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 has been a problem passage because of two issues that stick out like a sore thumb. The first issue is the elusive law
Spiritual Gifts A Means For Obedience
This is the last in our series about spiritual gifts and here we discover that spiritual gifts are a means for our obedience
Tektonics On 1 Corinthians 14
I received an excellent link to a post on the subject of Paul silencing women in 1 Corinthians 14 and I wanted to pass it on for all to see. It is called “Shut Her Bug” and is an excellent piece by James Patrick Holding
1 Corinthians 11 Should Women Be Silent
I have posted a third preview of my “Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free. ” DVD on YouTube
Wim Video Preview On Youtube
I have posted a preview of my “Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free. ” DVD on YouTube
Can Only Men Judge Right From Wrong In The Church
I read with interest Wayne Grudem’s claim that 1 Cor. 14:34 means that women are to “keep silent”regarding weighing of the oral prophecies in the assembly
Another Complementarian Pastor Responds
I am preparing a talk on women in ministry partly based on questions and challenges presented to me by a complementarian Pastor from a large denomination which restricts women from teaching the bible to men. Here are excerpts that he gave regarding our DVD teaching series on Women in Ministry:
Mike Winger Ideas (23)
If egalitarians are right, passages like 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 must be reinterpreted
Women Leaders in the New Testament： Women in Ministry part 4
Scripture places limits on women prophesying: they must acknowledge male headship (1 Corinthians 11) and may not judge prophecies (1 Corinthians 14)
Things I Didn't Know as a Complementarian： Women in Ministry part 6
Ben Witherington III's (1981) two arguments against over-reading the Genesis allusion
The Egalitarian ＂Silver Bullet＂ Bible Verse： Women in Ministry part 7
The silver bullet uses a passage not about the topic to override passages that are about the topic
The Egalitarian ＂Silver Bullet＂ Bible Verse： Women in Ministry part 7
Revisiting Westfall and F.F. Bruce quotes on Galatians 3:28 as an interpretive override
The Egalitarian ＂Silver Bullet＂ Bible Verse： Women in Ministry part 7
Egalitarians use a verse not about the topic because the verses about the topic are unhelpful to them
The Egalitarian ＂Silver Bullet＂ Bible Verse： Women in Ministry part 7
Head coverings relate to headship: who has a human head vs. Christ as head
All The Head Covering Debates (1 Cor 11)： Women in Ministry part 10
Final conclusions: male headship is biblical, complementarian, and to be celebrated
All The Head Covering Debates (1 Cor 11)： Women in Ministry part 10
The attempted rescue of utter silence: women can prophesy publicly but should not, and must wear coverings if they do
5 Views on “Women Keep Silent＂ (1 Cor 14_35-36)： Women in Ministry part 11
Additional evidence: Titus 1:6, male-only apostles, biblical rules about NT prophecy
Everything Women Can and Can't Do According to the Bible： Women in Ministry part 13
Tongues in the New Testament: multiple types — tongues with interpretation (public) and tongues without interpretation (private).
Answering Questions From Live Chat Today on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life
Personal testimony: Mike first encountered charismatic practices as a teenager and was confused; discovered 1 Corinthians 14 had rules for tongues much later.
Answering Questions From Live Chat Today on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life
Q&A: Tongues in 1 Cor 14 are actual languages; tongues always requires genuine linguistic communication; "groaning" in Romans 8 is distinct from the gift of tongues.
Does This Verse Teach Cessationism？ And a Bit On Bethel. 1 Cor 13_10-12
Paul's instructions on tongues and prophecy require self-control, proving the Spirit does not override the person's will
20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 6)
Though gifts cannot be taught, believers can grow in their expression and use of already-given gifts
20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 18)
Q: Is speaking in tongues real today? Yes, probably, but it's easily faked. Churches practicing it should follow 1 Corinthians 14's restrictions. Three categories: (1) biblical understanding of tongues, (2) personal experience, (3) discerning others' practice — #3 isn't really your job unless it violates 1 Cor 14.
Your Theology and Apologetics Questions
Q: Is speaking in tongues real today? Yes, probably, but it's easily faked. Churches practicing it should follow 1 Corinthians 14's restrictions. Three categories: (1) biblical understanding of tongues, (2) personal experience, (3) discerning others' practice — #3 isn't really your job unless it violates 1 Cor 14.
Your Theology and Apologetics Questions
About “Unknown”/ Tongues in 1 Cor.: What do you make of the added word “unknown” in 1 Corinthians 14:2-3, which is not in the original Greek? Could it mean that it is not a different sort of tongues, rather, that no one understands them?
20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 49)
Biblical Guidelines – Speaking in Tongues: 1 Corinthians 14: 27-28 says that someone should not speak in tongues unless there is an interpreter, but how are they supposed to know if there is an interpreter present?
20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 94)
Tongues/Prophecy for Believers or Unbelievers?: Can you please explain 1 Corinthians 14: 22-24? Verse 22 states that tongues are a sign for unbelievers, and prophecy is for believers. But vv. 23 and 24 then go on to, seemingly, describe the exact opposite.
10 Questions with Mike Winger (Episode 11)
A Difficult Bible Contradiction: Can you please explain 1 Corinthians 14: 22-24? Verse 22 states that tongues are a sign for unbelievers, and prophecy is for believers. But vv. 23 and 24 then go on to seemingly describe the exact opposite.
10 Questions with Mike Winger (Episode 12)
Tongues = Vain Repetition?: Would it be fair to consider the way some churches use tongues in opposition to 1 Corinthians 14 as a form of "vain repetition" (Matthew 6:5-8)?
Did ＂The Chosen＂ make their own Gospel？ 10 Qs with Mike Winger (Ep 29)
Can All Believers Prophesy?: Does 1 Corinthians 14: 31 mean all believers can prophesy? If all can teach in some way without being teachers (i.e., teaching their children), can all prophesy without being prophets?
The Hell Debate is Heating Up： 10 Qs with Mike Winger (Ep 67)
Related Comments (20)
I really look forward to a series about the husband and wife relationship. A marriage can be so beautiful and wonderful when both parties serve each other in love as Jesus Christ thought us. I’m not ...
Thank you for your question. In 1 Corinthians 14:36 Paul is referring to a letter from the Corinthians that he has been answering throughout 1 Corinthians. Verses 34 and 35 of chapter 14 are a quote f...
Cheryl, In his book entitled: Evangelical Feminism and Biblical Truth, author Wayne Grudem makes much of Paul’s old testament “law” reference as a prime motivator of his 1 Corinthians 14:34 passage in...
“H”, Your point is well taken. If we continue to lift scriptures from their context, then we are left with following a new “law” to the letter – are men lifting their hands in prayer as Paul “require...
Billy, Thanks for your comments here! We appreciate those who disagree agreeably. Now regarding what you said: > The phrase “anyone” is not refering to women… The fact is that Paul said in 1 Corint...
I thought this was an interesting essay, but with generally weak or unconvincing arguments throughout. Much of the text is confounded by the writer’s inability to recognise and address key paradigms ...
#62 Happy Promise Keeper said: > The Bible shows a clear difference between giftedness and authorization. Spiritual giftedness in a Christian woman does not confer upon her authority to lead and teac...
#4 Don, In your comment about Gordon Fee, yes I do understand that he came to the conclusion that 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35 were an interpolation because some manuscripts have these verses at the end o...
Greg, I have seen Grudem’s writing before on the “or” of Paul’s in 1 Corinthians 14:36 and I am amazed that he could openly contradict the lexicons and they say that 1 Cor. 14:36 is an example of a r...
“RE: Grumdens explanation of 1 Corinthians 11:34-36.” oops. Should have read 1 Corinthians 14. But then, you all knew that. 😉...
Curtis, You wrote: > I do believe, that in a Church service where ministry is being performed that wives, or even husbands should keep silent as that does cause a disruption to others. In the earl...
I think I found the clue in 1st Cor 14:33. First, some background. This from <http://www.mythfolklore.net/bibgreek/alphabet/tips_punctuation.htm> > **“About quotations.** In the absence of quotation ...
I found the book where I had first been exposed to this concept of Paul quoting the Corinthians. The book is *10 Lies the Church Tells Women* by J. Lee Grady. In a section titled “The Secret to Interp...
Trent, Just read the complete context of 1 Corinthians 14. While Paul refutes the saying of 1 Cor. 15:34, 35 by his negation in verse 36, he has already given instruction that all are allowed to par...
Don, I think we can safely assume that Paul is talking about the Jewish inheritance rights for several reasons: 1. The “law” that is referenced is the entire code of law given to the Jews not the G...
Wow! Talk about some bad exegesis of 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. I am just absolutely stunned! I dont know how you can attribute that passage to “Judaizers”! That passage was the words of the Apostle Pa...
Cheryl Said: “When we look at 1 Cor. 14:34, 35 we should be able to clearly see these false brethren because of the “law” that is quoted. There is no such “law” in the scriptures that silences wome...
*“In regards to the statement in verse 35: “As also saith the Law”* *Does not find its root in the oral law. Its inception comes from [Genesis 3:16](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3.16):* *To the woman He sai...
An excellent exposition on [1 Corinthians 14:34,35](logos4:///Bible/1Co 14.34,35): Relative to every truth, there are extremes. Extremes are not seen on God’s part, but they enter in as a result of m...
John, I am thankful that you are still here. It must mean that you are willing to try to hear us out. Coming into a blog atmosphere where the majority believe in women’s freedom to serve without re...