Groothuis's syllogism: if women's subordination is permanent, comprehensive, and ontologically grounded, then women are inferior persons; women are not inferior; therefore subordination is unjustified.

Mistake #4: Analyzing Groothuis's syllogism

Groothuis's three qualifications — permanent, comprehensive, ontologically grounded — do not describe what complementarians actually believe or what the Bible teaches.

Mistake #4: Rebutting Groothuis's qualifications

Mary Conway's argument that all plural imperative verbs in Genesis 1:28 include both man and woman with no restriction on any activity, including dominion.

Egalitarian argument from Genesis 1

Philip Payne's egalitarian argument: 'bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh' emphasizes shared essence and kinship, never subordination.

Egalitarian interpretation of Genesis 2:23

Schreiner's point 3: Eve called Adam's 'ezer' (helper) -- complementarians argue this implies subordination, but Mike finds the egalitarian rebuttal strong on this point.

The 'ezer' (helper) debate

Linda Belleville's argument: every other OT use of 'ezer' has no connotation of submission; God himself is most commonly called 'ezer' in Scripture.

Egalitarian case that 'ezer' doesn't imply subordination

Mike's conclusion on 'ezer': the complementarian view is weak if based on this word; it doesn't imply subordination or submission. The consistent thread is that the person being helped can't do it alone.

Mike's settled view on the 'ezer' debate

Mike's view on 'ezer kenegdo': 'helper' simply means Adam can't be fruitful alone; 'kenegdo' (corresponding to him) doesn't mean 'his equal in all ways' -- both sides overreach.

Mike's settled interpretation of 'ezer kenegdo'

Mike rejects the egalitarian view (e.g., Craig Keener) that subordination only appears in Genesis 3 as part of the curse; he sees a 'godly, tensionless leadership' for Adam in Genesis 2 as part of God's good creation.

Mike's key conclusion on Genesis 2

Egalitarian quotes: Belleville, Keener, and Payne all argue that Gen 3:16 is descriptive of fallen conditions, not prescriptive, and should not be enforced by church rules.

Egalitarian argument: the curse should be overturned, not propagated

God is the head of Christ: 1 Corinthians 15:28 and the Son's submission to the Father

Mike addresses how God being the head of Christ supports the headship chain.

Adam bears primary responsibility for sin — 1 Corinthians 15:22 and Romans 5:14-19

Mike argues Adam's greater representational role and accountability shows his greater authority.

Teaching on a Sunday morning — the hardest case; various approaches churches take

Mike tackles the most contested ministry question.

LDS.org lists requirements for exaltation: obey all commands of God, be baptized, be an LDS member, become a Melchizedek priest, receive temple endowment, marry for time and eternity, and more.

Mike reads the official LDS list of exaltation requirements to show the burden placed on Mormon believers.

Undesigned coincidences are places where one biblical document unexpectedly explains or fills in a detail from another without any apparent coordination between authors. The example given: Mark 14 records that witnesses at Jesus' trial quoted a saying about 'destroying this temple' but their testimonies disagreed — without explaining why. John 2 supplies the original context (Jesus meant his body), even though John doesn't include the trial scene. This kind of interlocking detail is characteristic of authentic historical accounts, not coordinated invention.

Are man-made Covenants Biblical?: Are man-made covenants for pastoral ordination biblical (specifically, covenants binding oneself to denominational doctrines and principles)? The Salvation Army requires this for their pastors.

Q&A question: Are man-made Covenants Biblical?

About the Subordination of the Son: How do you explain the subordination of Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:3; 15: 28) to the Father within Trinitarian theology? I explain it via incarnational subordination (Philippians 2:5; Hebrews 29; 5:8).

Q&A question: About the Subordination of the Son

Is Eternal Subordinationism Biblical?: I read recently that the idea that God the Son has been eternally submissive to God the Father is heresy (Arianism). Is that true? Was Jesus only temporarily submissive to God the Father while on Earth?

Q&A question: Is Eternal Subordinationism Biblical?

Is Ordination Necessary?: What are your thoughts on the necessity to be ordained into ministry? Can I turn my home Bible study into a church?

Q&A question: Is Ordination Necessary?

Winger affirms the Father has authority over the Son but attributes this to the Incarnation (Phil 2:5-8), not necessarily to the eternal nature of the Trinity. He's open to but not convinced by Eternal Functional Subordination (EFS). Explicitly says he does NOT use EFS to defend complementarianism.

Q: Do many scriptures showing different authority levels between Father and Jesus mean the Father has higher authority? (John 14:28, 1 Cor 11:3, Matt 28:18)

Winger says there is no biblical requirement for an ordained person to officiate a wedding — marriage is a public covenant between a man and woman, and the authority to marry doesn't reside in a pastor, government, or anyone else. He wrestles with whether to recommend a woman officiate for non-believing family.

Q from a female believer: brother (non-believer) asked her to officiate his wedding; only option is online ordination, which feels like mocking God.