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2026-03-27 commentary Ryan Schatz

Eph 5:22 and Mutual Submission

The mutual and reciprocal nature of hypotasso in Eph 5:21 makes a hierarchical reading of v22 semantically incoherent. Paul cannot establish one-to-another voluntary submission and then immediately mean one-directional hierarchy without breaking the logic of his own passage.

2025-08-04 egalitarian_argument Cheryl Schatz

Women In Ministry Research Notes

Collection of 22 research notes from Cheryl Schatz's Logos notebook on women in ministry, covering head coverings in 1 Corinthians 11, kephale as source, Genesis creation narratives, Ephesians 5 mutual submission, and Craig Keener's lecture notes on women's ordination.

2025-07-26 commentary Cheryl Schatz

κεφαλή (kephale) — Logos Clippings (Cheryl Schatz)

A curated collection of Logos Bible Software clippings compiled by Cheryl Schatz examining the Greek word κεφαλή (kephale) and Hebrew רֹאשׁ (rosh). The clippings draw from lexicons, encyclopedias, commentaries, and academic journals to argue that "source/origin" is the primary metaphorical meaning of kephale rather than "authority/leader," with implications for interpreting 1 Corinthians 11, Ephesians 5, and Colossians 1.

2023-01-17 response Andrew Bartlett & Terran Williams

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Male Headship: Is It Really Biblical?

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 8 on male headship and whether it is really biblical

2012-02-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Masculine Christianity

This is part 2 of What God intended at creation and it is inspired by a recent lecture given by John Piper where he states that God’s intention for Christianity is for it to have a “ masculine feel “. After discussing John Piper’s Masculine Christianity, I will give my critique of his masculine argu

2012-01-08 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Eph 5 Infected

In my last post, I presented one of the best sermons that I have ever heard on Ephesians 5, regarding the evidence of Spirit-filled lives for both men and women. This post is on the opposite of the Spirit-filled life which is an influx of worldly infection through male-centered pride

2011-12-27 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Ephesians 5 Christian Liberty

This post is the essence of the sermon Spirit-Filled Living part 1 by Pastor Darrell Johnson of First Baptist Church, Vancouver, BC, Canada. If you would like to listen to the entire sermon, you can listen to the sermon here

2011-06-14 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Repost Authority Vs Submission A Biblical View Of Ephesians 522

My original 2010 post crashed because there were too many comments for my blog to handle, so I am putting up this post again so that people can read the article which is no longer available because of the crash. Thanks to one of my readers who asked me to repost

2010-06-21 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Humble God

In our past discussions on Ephesians 5:21-22, we have been discussing the issues of mutual submission and whether there is authority in marriage. In this post, we will discuss the foundation of humility

2010-06-15 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Eph 5 22 Post 3

Our discussions on Ephesians 5:22 has sparked a flurry of comments with literally hundreds of comments later and seemingly no end to the “iron sharpening iron” discussion between egalitarians as well as complementarians. This is the place where the discussion will continue as my blog has a habit of

2010-06-02 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Submission And Origin Of Authority

When is authority given and when can it be rightfully assumed. These are questions that have divided egalitarians and complementarians in the area of marriage

2010-06-01 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Authority Vs Submission Ephesians 522 Continuing Comments

Since our last post on authority and submission had so many comments, it appears it is going to crash the post like another post did. So I am asking everyone to continue their comments on this post (comments post #2) so that we can continue without having a crash

2010-05-23 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Authority Vs Submission Biblical View

Yesterday I received two polar opposite views of Ephesians 5:22 by email. One was from “NN” who has responded here in the past

2009-12-11 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Can A Wifes Authority Be Overruled

## Can a wife’s authority be overruled

2009-07-05 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudem Part 2

In my last post I copied Wayne Grudem’s “Open letter to Egalitarians”, and I listed the first question of his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his second question, Suzanne McCarthy’s expert Greek answer, and my own challenge after that

Mike Winger Ideas (22)

Did NT Christians still practice primogeniture? Wives submitting to husbands?

The Egalitarian "Silver Bullet" Bible Verse: Women in Ministry part 7

Four problems with Westfall's 'representing Christ in any function' argument

The Egalitarian "Silver Bullet" Bible Verse: Women in Ministry part 7

Egalitarians use a verse not about the topic because the verses about the topic are unhelpful to them

The Egalitarian "Silver Bullet" Bible Verse: Women in Ministry part 7

Bible study argument introduced: Paul's context in 1 Corinthians 11 and Ephesians does not imply authority

Male Headship: Is it REALLY Biblical? Women in Ministry part 8

Keener's two-pillar case: mutual submission and cultural bowing

Have We Misunderstood "Wives Submit"? Women in Ministry part 9

Internal vs external messaging theory: Paul supposedly wrote differently for Romans vs Christians

Have We Misunderstood "Wives Submit"? Women in Ministry part 9

Ephesians 5 doesn't match Paul's style when he writes for evangelistic/cultural purposes

Have We Misunderstood "Wives Submit"? Women in Ministry part 9

Multiple problems with reading Ephesians 5 as cultural defense

Have We Misunderstood "Wives Submit"? Women in Ministry part 9

Paul devotes more space to husbands loving than wives submitting -- what does this mean?

Have We Misunderstood "Wives Submit"? Women in Ministry part 9

How Paul IS different from his culture (complementarian distinctives)

Have We Misunderstood "Wives Submit"? Women in Ministry part 9

Verses 11-12: mutual dependence balances headship -- not refutation but nuance

All The Head Covering Debates (1 Cor 11): Women in Ministry part 10

Push back on kephale as 'source': even if source, it still implies authority; verses 11-12 prove too much

All The Head Covering Debates (1 Cor 11): Women in Ministry part 10

Question 9: Is this about men/women generally or husbands/wives specifically?

All The Head Covering Debates (1 Cor 11): Women in Ministry part 10

Paul uses OT law as wisdom: Ephesians 5 cites the fifth commandment; the principle rather than the code

A Pivotal Issue: Hebrew Roots part 4

Mike gives an extended reading and defense of 1 Corinthians 11 on head coverings, arguing the text is about role differentiation within a framework of equal personal value, not about female inferiority, and that charging God with sexism reflects moral overreach toward the Creator.

Live Q&A With Mike Winger

Books on courting and marriage: tentative recommendation of "Love and Respect" based on its grounding in biblical commands to husbands and wives.

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 21)

Forming a Healthy Work/Rest Balance: Since life is finite and Heaven is infinite, how do we justify spending any time not working to influence eternity? Where is the balance between relaxation & work? (Ephesians 5: 15-16 vs. 1 Thessalonians 4: 11)

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 44)

Are Only Men Called to Sacrificially Love?: Can you explain how Ephesians 5: 25 is a particularly masculine command? Many verses including John 15: 12-13 call ALL believers to love one another sacrificially.

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 87)

What Kind of Jokes Fall Under “Jesting”?: I'm confused about “eutrapelia” and I don’t know if it is just crude joking or all jokes that word speaks of in Ephesians 5:4. I use the KJV and it just says "jesting."

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 89)

Saved by Grace – How is Anyone Excluded?: Ephesians 5:5 says that the sexually immoral will have no place in the Kingdom of God, yet later, Ephesians says we’re saved by grace through faith. Is this contradictory?

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 94)

Should Men Move Out Before Dating?: Looking at Ephesians 5: 31, Should a Christian man move out of his parents’ house before trying to date, to prove they can provide an income and a house?

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 96)

Why is David in Heaven?: Can you explain how David would be in Heaven when he knew 1 wife was God’s design but was living in continuous sin (1 John 3:4-9, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10: 26, Ephesians 5:3-7)?

10 Qs with Mike Winger: Skeptics, New Believers, and Zachary Levi (Ep 62)

Related Comments (20)

Tarun 2007-09-10T10:21:32-07:00

Hey Cheryl. Interesting that the pivotal scripture in relation to authority structure in the marriage has not been discussed, I bring it to light in this post and invite commentary \*\*\*Ephesians 5...

Tarun 2007-09-11T07:31:00-07:00

Cheryl, I’m glad I popped by too 🙂 and lets use your style of response to clarify my stance, (C)There are many things that Jesus is to the Church that the husband is not. (T) I agree. (C)Althou...

Cheryl 2007-09-11T12:46:30-07:00

Tarun, Again, welcome and thanks for posting. > You said: I was not trying to imply that the Husband “is” the Saviour/Lord and God of his wife.That is a role that only Christ can fulfill. However ev...

Tarun 2007-09-12T14:20:53-07:00

That’s quite a bit I need to write now 🙂 but before I go into breaking that up I’d like to bring to the forefront a few scriptures which will put what I believe is the pivotal scripture in this discus...

Cheryl 2007-09-12T16:08:27-07:00

Brother Tarun, You said: > When Romans 13:1 says “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities” Would’nt it be right to say that the “Governing authority” plays the lead role. I’d like y...

Cheryl Schatz 2011-12-26T17:59:31-07:00

Aaron, that wasn’t appropriate. You came here and charged me with deceit, so you should expect a response to that. By the way my next post that I am working on will be about Ephesians 5 so I would th...

Chris 2009-03-19T03:17:48-07:00

Cheryl, I understand your position on [1 Timothy 2:12-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12-15) to be that Paul is telling one specific wife in the church to stop teaching her husband false doctrine, and that...

gengwall 2012-01-20T07:15:22-07:00

Hi Kristen, Here is my issue. I certainly recognize the Col 1 verses (incidentally, take a look at the NLT translation) but I don’t know how to take it. John 1 clearly says that the Word was the crea...

Zwagmeister 2007-05-30T20:40:07-07:00

Cheryl great stuff. clear and well presented. thanks. the way ‘head’ is traditionally connected with authority and men over (all) women simply cannot (as you have demonstrated) be proven from script...

Cheryl 2007-08-07T15:27:56-07:00

Kerryn, Very good thoughts! Thank you! The one correction that I would make is that Ephesians 5 does not say that the husband is head over the wife but head of the wife. “Head of” refers to a body re...

Michael Terran 2007-11-14T22:34:46-07:00

THIS E-MAIL WAS SEND TO ME FROM A CHURCH THAT TEACHES HIARCHY! Michael, Thanks for your follow-up email. I must say, it’s a better attempt than your previous “that’s how cults interpret 1 Corinthian...

Michael Terran 2007-11-14T22:36:05-07:00

THIS IS MY REPLY TO HIS E-MAIL. HOW DID I DO. Hello Gerald First we see God the Father give everything to the Son…He puts everything under his feet. Then the Son Gives it all back to the Father. The...

K Liebens 2009-11-26T14:36:42-07:00

I thought this was an interesting essay, but with generally weak or unconvincing arguments throughout. Much of the text is confounded by the writer’s inability to recognise and address key paradigms ...

Heidi 2011-05-12T17:06:31-07:00

I am sorry ladies, but there is nothing anyone can ever say to me to believe other than what God’s word says and what I have experienced. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the...

Cheryl Schatz 2011-05-12T17:47:50-07:00

Heidi, I would refer you to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon which is listed as the world’s most comprehensive and authoritative dictionary of ancient Greek. Here they give two meanings of ...

Cheryl 2008-02-02T14:24:33-07:00

Light, I too thought it was a great idea to have a respectful public discussion. When Kamilla wrote me she suggested that I read her public comments on the baylyblog.com site (under her name) in the...

Lew A 2008-02-04T07:30:24-07:00

Hey Cheryl, How’s it going? I haven’t read your post entirely… but I did just read their post. I also haven’t read all the comments (waaay to many). But I was thinking of some things. They apparentl...

tiro3 2008-02-15T11:05:22-07:00

Terri wrote: #47 ….. The more I read of bloggers like the Baylys and those on the discussion boards at Carm I really can fully appreciate blogs such as this. It seems to me that the accusation of egal...

Cheryl 2008-02-17T20:31:18-07:00

Tiro3 (#89), You said: > “Patriarchalists such as the ones on CARM regularly teach that women are ONLY required to be of a submissive attitude to their own husbands, their own fathers, and their own...

Terri 2008-02-22T06:42:45-07:00

I walked upon a discussion between two dear sisters and a dear brother last night. Catching the very last comment of the conversation, “Its better to live on a roof top then in the house with a brawli...