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Tom Schreiner Two Views on Women in Ministry Gen 2

Introduction to Tom Schreiner's six reasons from Genesis 2 for Adam having a leadership role, from 'Two Views on Women in Ministry.'

Transition to complementarian case from Genesis 2

creation order Tom Schreiner Gen 2:7

Schreiner's point 1: God created Adam first, then Eve, significantly later -- this implies leadership through primogeniture.

Complementarian argument #1: creation order

Tom Schreiner Gen 2:16-17 command to Adam

Schreiner's point 2: God gave the command not to eat from the tree to Adam alone, not Eve -- Adam had to relay it, placing him in a teaching/leadership role.

Complementarian argument #2: command given to Adam alone

Tom Schreiner ezer kenegdo

Schreiner's point 3: Eve called Adam's 'ezer' (helper) -- complementarians argue this implies subordination, but Mike finds the egalitarian rebuttal strong on this point.

The 'ezer' (helper) debate

Tom Schreiner Gen 2:23 ish

Schreiner's point 4: Adam exercised leadership by naming Eve -- first as 'woman' (isha) in Genesis 2:23, then as 'Eve' in Genesis 3:20.

Complementarian argument #4: naming as authority

Tom Schreiner Phyllis Trible qara

Schreiner's response to Trible: demanding both 'call' and 'name' is too rigid; the repetition of 'qara' (call) in Gen 2:19-23 links animal naming to Eve's naming.

Complementarian rebuttal on naming formula

Tom Schreiner Gen 2:23 Phyllis Trible

Trible's second objection: 'woman' is a common noun (gender classification), not a proper name -- Schreiner's reply: Adam classified animals the same way (types, not personal names).

Complementarian rebuttal on naming as classification

Tom Schreiner serpent tempts Eve Gen 3:1

Schreiner's point 5: the serpent subverted God's pattern of leadership by tempting Eve rather than Adam -- Mike thinks this is the weakest complementarian argument.

Complementarian argument #5: serpent targeting Eve

Tom Schreiner 1 Tim 2:14 Eve's deception

Schreiner appeals to 1 Timothy 2:14 ('Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived') to support point 5 -- Mike thinks the verse can be explained without the subversion-of-authority reading.

NT support for serpent-targeting-Eve argument

Philip Payne Tom Schreiner Gen 3:9

Schreiner's point 6: God approached Adam first after the sin (Gen 3:9) even though Eve sinned first, implying greater responsibility -- Payne counters with a chiastic structure argument.

Complementarian argument #6: God confronts Adam first

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Tom Schreiner's refutation: co-worker/labor terms are too vague to indicate leadership

Mike reads a lengthy quote from Tom Schreiner (Two Views, pp. 280-281).

Romans 16:3 Philippians 4:3 Tom Schreiner Two Views on Women in Ministry Mary

Mike Winger idea 2022-04-13

Phoebe likely was an official deacon because of the phrase 'of the church at Cenchreae'

Mike concludes Phoebe was a deacon based on the qualifying phrase.

Romans 16:1 Tom Schreiner Craig Blomberg Phoebe

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Tom Schreiner's view: Junia as missionary focused on women's ministry

Mike introduces Schreiner's nuanced addition to the discussion.

Junia Tom Schreiner women's ministry

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Tom Schreiner quote: complementarians should not give the impression women are unintelligent or lack teaching ability

Mike quotes a fellow complementarian to correct unhealthy attitudes toward women's teaching.

Colossians 3:16 1 Corinthians 14:26 Tom Schreiner Apollos Colossians 3:16

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Tom Schreiner on the fundamental purpose of Galatians 3:28

Mike cites Schreiner's succinct summary of the verse's meaning.

Galatians 3:28 Tom Schreiner Galatians 3:28 Two Views

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Linda Belleville's view on Miriam from the Two Views on Women in Ministry book.

Presenting the egalitarian case for Miriam

Linda Belleville Tom Schreiner Two Views on Women in Ministry

Romans 1:26-27 Galatians 4:8 Romans 2:14 Tom Schreiner physis Romans 1:26-27

Paul uses physis nine times consistently: never means 'custom'

Mike examines all of Paul's uses of physis.

1 Corinthians 11:15 Tom Schreiner doxa 1 Corinthians 11:15

Tom Schreiner's consistent interpretation of glory as 'honor' works for both uses

Mike presents what he considers the best interpretation of glory.

1 Corinthians 11:10 Tom Schreiner Craig Keener 1 Corinthians 11:10

Question 11: Does the woman have a symbol of authority on her head, or authority over her own head? (exousia debate)

Mike addresses one of the most debated verses in the passage.

1 Corinthians 11:10 1 Corinthians 11:7 Tom Schreiner 1 Corinthians 11:10 1 Corinthians 11:7

Schreiner point 1: verses 7 and 10 form a parallel (man uncovered / woman covered)

Mike presents the strongest argument for symbolic authority.

1 Corinthians 11:10-11 Tom Schreiner opheilei 1 Corinthians 11:10-11

Schreiner points 2-4: 'ought' implies obligation not freedom; vv.3-9 clearly about male headship; v.11 is a contrast

Mike presents additional arguments against the egalitarian reading of exousia.

Tom Schreiner BDAG exousia

Exousia CAN be used symbolically: BDAG, Greek fathers, and Diodorus of Sicily support this

Mike counters Keener's claim that symbolic exousia is 'unnatural Greek.'

Tom Schreiner exousia Morna Hooker

Even if exousia is active, it can refer to the man's authority in this context

Mike addresses the final egalitarian argument about exousia.

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Tom Schreiner: Paul encourages women to pray and prophesy in church with proper adornment

Mike quotes complementarian scholar Tom Schreiner against the utter silence view.

1 Corinthians 11:16 Tom Schreiner 1 Corinthians 11:16 women's public prayer and prophecy

1 Timothy 2:12 apostolic authority 1 Timothy 2:12 epitrepo

Rebuttal: 'I do not permit' is apostolic authority, not mere opinion

Mike and scholars like Douglas Moo and Tom Schreiner argue that epitrepo carries full apostolic weight.

1 Timothy 2:12 creation order 1 Timothy 2:12 Tom Schreiner

Present tense of epitrepo: ongoing policy vs. temporary restriction

Mike addresses the egalitarian claim that the present tense indicates a temporary, situation-specific restriction.

authenteo Tom Schreiner Henry Scott Baldwin

Henry Scott Baldwin's survey of authenteo usage

Mike discusses Baldwin's comprehensive survey, published in the Kostenberger/Schreiner volume.

1 Timothy 5:14 1 Timothy 2:15 1 Timothy 5:10 1 Timothy 5:14 Douglas Moo Tom Schreiner

View 4: Saved through proper female roles (Douglas Moo's preferred view)

Mike presents Moo's view that childbearing represents the broader female role, and salvation attends faithful role-fulfillment.

1 Timothy 2:15 Genesis 3:15 Tom Schreiner 1 Timothy 2:15 Genesis 3:15

Schreiner's objection 1: the Messianic view requires seeing 'she' as Mary

Mike addresses Tom Schreiner's first objection to the Messianic interpretation.

1 Timothy 2:15 Incarnation Tom Schreiner 1 Timothy 2:15

Schreiner's objection 2: Paul never teaches salvation comes through the Incarnation

Mike addresses the objection that Paul doesn't elsewhere connect salvation to the birth of Christ.