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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-19

RT @Mimi_CBE: A First Response to Mike Winger’s 11½ Hrs Video on 1 Timothy 2 htt

RT @Mimi_CBE: A First Response to Mike Winger’s 11½ Hrs Video on 1 Timothy 2 https://t.co/G8NyvCtOdn

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-17

@kelcy_lowry @Isaiah45_7 First, I don’t know how you researched my position years ago before I posted it here. 🤔 I don’t know too many who hold to my view of these passages. Second, what is a godly man? Do you define a godly man as a complementari...

@kelcy_lowry @Isaiah45_7 First, I don’t know how you researched my position years ago before I posted it here. 🤔 I don’t know too many who hold to my view of these passages. Second, what is a godly

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-03

@TeregianKunta @pauldirks @KaeleyT Wow, I just saw this! Thanks for the feedback. Hope you stick around and view some of my other posts on this subject. I hope to cover all the relevant passages…just finishing up 1 Cor 11:1-16, but got interrupted...

@TeregianKunta @pauldirks @KaeleyT Wow, I just saw this! Thanks for the feedback. Hope you stick around and view some of my other posts on this subject. I hope to cover all the relevant passages…ju

1 Cor 11:1-16 1 Tim 2:11-15 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-30

@MikeWingerii I go through my explanation of 1 Tim 2:11-15 without referring to

@MikeWingerii I go through my explanation of 1 Tim 2:11-15 without referring to Artemis. 😊 “Context is king…context is Uber King 👑.”—Mike Winger [ep12 07:13:25] https://t.co/Y0IdPyu8TO

1 Tim 2:11-15 commentary
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-30

Here is another overview of 1 Tim 2:11-15 which is a bit longer than the short preface to my chart in the first post of this thread. Hopefully you find it helpful. For Mike Winger: I agree with you in that I don’t see Artemis involved in this situa...

Here is another overview of 1 Tim 2:11-15 which is a bit longer than the short preface to my chart in the first post of this thread. Hopefully you find it helpful. For Mike Winger: I agree with you

1 Tim 2:11-15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-29

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Listen, go find your favourite Greek scholar and tell them to come here and rebuke me. Does MacArthur do X? Piper is here. How about Grudem? Dr. White? Or just wait until I get d...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Listen, go find your favourite Greek scholar and tell them to come here and rebuke me. Does MacArthur do X? Piper is here. How abo

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-29

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Do you talk when you are being taught, or do you not also listen silently? The point is not to do the “but…but…but…” stuff but listen for the whole explanation. Role is not in the G...

@ymmotrojam @3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Do you talk when you are being taught, or do you not also listen silently? The point is not to do the “but…but…but…” stuff but liste

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-24

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Even Mike Winger admits that women can be deacons and yet the term “one wife husband” is also a requirement of deacons. Was Paul married? No. And he advocated for singleness—since it removes d...

@3HillsMinor @Rattle_Resists @Kdubtru @michael_ronning Even Mike Winger admits that women can be deacons and yet the term “one wife husband” is also a requirement of deacons. Was Paul married? No.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-19

Mike Winger is about to release his longest video teaching on 1 Tim 2:11-15. I

Mike Winger is about to release his longest video teaching on 1 Tim 2:11-15. I want to remind you what a Biblically consistent interpretation of this passage looks like. @MikeWingerii https://t.co/r

1 Tim 2:11-15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-04

@LadyDemosthenes @OPRisely @pgklee @mark_petereit It’s in the grammar of the passage. I went through it in detail in that thread I attached…which should take much less time than even half of one of Mike Winger’s videos!! Paul left Timothy to stop f...

@LadyDemosthenes @OPRisely @pgklee @mark_petereit It’s in the grammar of the passage. I went through it in detail in that thread I attached…which should take much less time than even half of one of M

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-03

@LadyDemosthenes @mark_petereit I’ve gone through Mike Winger’s series, so I’m familiar with his arguments. I’m looking forward to his latest video on 1 Tim 2:11-15, though I’m concerned he’s going to get deep into the weeds on some poor egalitarian...

@LadyDemosthenes @mark_petereit I’ve gone through Mike Winger’s series, so I’m familiar with his arguments. I’m looking forward to his latest video on 1 Tim 2:11-15, though I’m concerned he’s going t

1 Tim 2:11-15 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-30

@sailemptyskies @aflawedmanofGod @tatmia1 @M_Jensen23 @ortrails @goteamcarr Here

@sailemptyskies @aflawedmanofGod @tatmia1 @M_Jensen23 @ortrails @goteamcarr Here’s hoping more and more people get it too! I’m gonna need help when Mike Winger releases his video on 1 Tim 2:11-15

1 Tim 2:11-15 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-07-18

I’m working on a response to Mike Winger’s teaching that Adam’s naming something

I’m working on a response to Mike Winger’s teaching that Adam’s naming something or someone demonstrates he has authority over it/them. This would extend to others doing the naming like us. Do you a

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-16

@revjeffvox @5pointsMckinley Mike Winger responds to most of the egalitarian arguments which are poor. But the ones which are good he spends little time on and some he ignores. But he does not have an exegesis of the key passages which makes all th...

@revjeffvox @5pointsMckinley Mike Winger responds to most of the egalitarian arguments which are poor. But the ones which are good he spends little time on and some he ignores. But he does not have

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Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 2:11-15 specific woman,deception,authenteo,grammar,perfect tense,future tense,anaphoric,egalitarian,ephesus,teknogonia,singular plural,historical perfect,verbal aspect,paul as pattern
Theology verse entry

Revelation 2:14

Sections: exegesis, greek_analysis

Revelation 2:14 Balaam false teaching didasko
Theology verse entry

Revelation 2:20

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis

Revelation 2:20 Jezebel false prophetess didasko
Theology verse entry

Ephesians 4:11-13

Sections: debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Ephesians 4:11-13 spiritual gifts,Christ distributes,pastors,teachers,apostles,prophets,evangelists,equipping,unity,egalitarian
Theology verse entry

Romans 12:4-8

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Romans 12:4-8 spiritual gifts,charismata,body of Christ,teaching,leading,proistemi,no gender restriction,egalitarian
Theology greek term

αὐθεντέω (authenteo)

to domineer / to usurp authority

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Theology greek term

διδάσκω (didasko)

to teach

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Theology greek term

ποιμαίνω (poimaino)

to shepherd, to tend a flock, to pastor, to rule

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Theology greek term

αὐθεντικός (authentikos)

original, authentic, authoritative; relating to the source or master

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Theology greek term

dominare / dominari (dominare)

to rule, to dominate, to lord it over (Latin; used to translate authenteō in the Vulgate)

greek
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Mike Winger introduces his Women in Ministry series, explaining he spent months studying the topic and it hurt his YouTube channel output.

Series introduction

women in ministry series introduction
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Mike's stated goal is to teach people how to think biblically rather than just declaring what is true, enabling independent biblical reasoning.

Series introduction — Mike's teaching philosophy

thinking biblically Mike Winger
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Introduction to part 2 of Women in Ministry series, framing it as a month-long research project engaging deeply with egalitarian views.

Series introduction and framing

women in ministry complementarianism egalitarianism
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

What submission DOES mean according to Mike Winger

Mike provides his positive definition of submission.

headship submission definition head-body analogy
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Personal testimony: Mike was raised as a Mormon; this evidence would have been world-shattering to him

Mike's personal background and emotional investment in the argument

Mike Winger Mormonism personal testimony
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Upcoming video topic: responding to common atheist arguments against God

Preview of future content

Mike Winger apologetics atheism
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Upcoming video topic: exposing false teaching within charismatic Christianity — abuse of the spiritual gifts framework

Preview of future content on charismatic abuse

Mike Winger spiritual gifts apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-21

Core thesis: Jehovah's Witnesses do not have to die; roughly three JWs die per day due to Watchtower's false blood transfusion teaching.

Opening statement of the livestream, framing the urgency and moral weight of the topic.

Jehovah's Witnesses false teaching blood transfusion
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Announcement: Mike's podcast now live on iTunes and Stitcher — BibleThinker.org also launched

Administrative announcement at the end of the livestream

Mike Winger BibleThinker podcast
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Introduction: Winger critiques presuppositional apologetics, uses Sye Ten Bruggencate as the model, invites Sye to respond live

Opening of the livestream debate; Winger sets the agenda and rules

Mike Winger presuppositional apologetics debate format
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye acknowledges Winger's critique as kind though erroneous; notes soteriology will be a central difference underlying their apologetic disagreement

Sye's opening statement and introduction

Calvinism soteriology presuppositional apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Winger argues his objections to presuppositionalism are biblical, not soteriological, and would hold even if he were Calvinist

Winger's clarification before asking Sye to explain presuppositionalism

biblical authority soteriology presuppositional apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye explains presuppositionalism: start with the presupposition that God exists and his Word is true; all reasoning depends on God; the 'circle' is virtuous, not vicious

Sye's core explanation of the presup method, tracing it to Van Til and Bahnson

Romans 11:36 epistemology presuppositional apologetics Van Til
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

What does the unbeliever know? Sye argues Romans 1 teaches everyone has sufficient knowledge of the true God for their condemnation — not just 'a god' but the God

Winger's first probing question; Sye's answer

Romans 1 accountability general revelation Romans 1
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Winger argues Romans 1 teaches that people have been given sufficient information but may not currently believe it, because sin causes suppression and exchange of truth

Winger's counter-reading of Romans 1

Romans 1 sin general revelation Romans 1
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye challenges Winger with the concept of epistemic certainty vs. psychological certainty; presses him on whether God's existence can fail to be true

Sye's Socratic method applied to Winger

existence of God presuppositional apologetics epistemic certainty
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Winger openly admits he uses reason to discover truth but not to determine it; Sye argues this distinction shows reason is not autonomous — which is the presup point

Discussion of autonomous reason vs. God-dependent reason

1 Corinthians 15 1 Corinthians 15 presuppositional apologetics autonomous reason
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Winger argues 1 Kings 18 (Mount Carmel) supports evidential apologetics: Elijah offered a test and the miracle convinced the people Yahweh is God

Winger's first major Scripture argument; examination of 1 Kings 18

1 Kings 18 1 Kings 18 Mount Carmel Elijah
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye reframes 1 Kings 18: Elijah was not convincing people of something unknown but displaying God's glory to suppressors of truth; the event was judgment, not persuasion

Sye's counter-reading of 1 Kings 18

1 Kings 18 judgment presuppositional apologetics 1 Kings 18
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye argues that every non-presuppositional argument for God is probabilistic, not certain, which is inconsistent with how Scripture speaks about God

Broad methodological critique of evidential and classical apologetics

presuppositional apologetics evidential apologetics probabilistic arguments
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Winger reads 1 Kings 18:36-37: Elijah prays 'let it be known this day that you are God in Israel' — explicit language of producing knowledge

Winger continues exegeting 1 Kings 18 in support of evidential apologetics

1 Kings 18:36-37 knowledge of God Elijah evidential apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Both men discuss the aftermath of 1 Kings 18 — the people and prophets respond differently; suppression-to-profession vs. unbelief-to-belief

Continued exegesis and debate over 1 Kings 18

Romans 1 1 Kings 18 Romans 1 knowledge of God suppression of truth
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye clarifies: atheists are not necessarily liars — they are truth suppressors, which is a psychological phenomenon, not simple conscious deception

Sye corrects a common presuppositionalist mistake

Romans 1 atheism self-deception Romans 1
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye argues that non-presuppositional arguments are inherently probabilistic and thus do not represent how God speaks about himself in Scripture

Broader methodological point extended to include the preponderance-of-evidence approach

evidential apologetics probabilistic arguments certainty of God
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Winger raises the case of Eve being genuinely deceived in the garden as a counter-example to the claim that everyone always fully knows the truth they suppress

Winger's argument from Genesis 3 against the presup claim about universal conscious knowledge

Genesis 3 Genesis 3 sin deception
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Winger accuses Sye of reading his presup philosophy into the Genesis 3 text rather than reading it exegetically; notes Scripture distinguishes Adam (knowing) from Eve (deceived)

Winger's exegetical pushback on Sye's Genesis 3 reading

Genesis 3 1 Timothy 2:14 Genesis 3 1 Timothy 2:14 hermeneutics
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