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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-04

This is so incredible. When a man abuses his wife, Peterson suggests the reason

This is so incredible. When a man abuses his wife, Peterson suggests the reason is in the wife? So he can violate his marital vows, and when she calls him out for this, that’s her causing her own abus

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-27

@OnionPizza68693 @baste_goblin @EchoToaster_ @TomWarlord @Revelation_14_7 @Eric_Conn You know what I think? That you stand to lose if you give up your “overruling authority.” You don’t want to give that up. Who would? I’m glad that you don’t abuse y...

@OnionPizza68693 @baste_goblin @EchoToaster_ @TomWarlord @Revelation_14_7 @Eric_Conn You know what I think? That you stand to lose if you give up your “overruling authority.” You don’t want to give th

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-17

@wifeforlife522 I can decide not to press charges for physical abuse too. I can

@wifeforlife522 I can decide not to press charges for physical abuse too. I can “get over that” too. Is screaming at a child that you hate them and wish they were never born and that they won’t amou

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-17

@wifeforlife522 Whether you are able to transcend the abuse or not is not what w

@wifeforlife522 Whether you are able to transcend the abuse or not is not what we are talking about. It is abuse even if you transcend it and even though it is a different kind of abuse than physical

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-29

@DefendTheSheep God doesn’t want sin in the relationship between the husband and wife. If a wife is physically or feels emotionally abused she may use separation as a tool to help her husband to repent, but I don’t see this as grounds for divorce. ...

@DefendTheSheep God doesn’t want sin in the relationship between the husband and wife. If a wife is physically or feels emotionally abused she may use separation as a tool to help her husband to repe

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-29

@DefendTheSheep In Matt 19:9, Jesus says, “I tell you that anyone who divorces h

@DefendTheSheep In Matt 19:9, Jesus says, “I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” I’m not sure that emotional abuse i

Matt 19:9 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-16

@knarz_ @LizzieMarbach Interesting. Sorry you decided to ditch Christianity bec

@knarz_ @LizzieMarbach Interesting. Sorry you decided to ditch Christianity because of those who abused the scriptures.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-14

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl This line of reasoning is interesting to me because on your accounting, the husband represents Jesus (who is God) and the church represents redeemed but sinful humans. This is a setup for serious abuse as all men a...

@pauldirks @KaeleyT @DeeGoingsGirl This line of reasoning is interesting to me because on your accounting, the husband represents Jesus (who is God) and the church represents redeemed but sinful human

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-20

@notofthischurch @Soteriology101 @IkeLifeLike @joel_budreau The woman sinned first but scripture says it is through one man that sin entered laying the blame on Adam, this because he sinned with knowledge and was not deceived like Eve. The reason is...

@notofthischurch @Soteriology101 @IkeLifeLike @joel_budreau The woman sinned first but scripture says it is through one man that sin entered laying the blame on Adam, this because he sinned with knowl

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-10-24

@KaeleyT @pauldirks I’m not sure your specific circumstances, but removing someone from an abusive situation—depending on the nature of the abuse, and raising the issue strongly to leadership would be first steps. Consideration of reporting the issu...

@KaeleyT @pauldirks I’m not sure your specific circumstances, but removing someone from an abusive situation—depending on the nature of the abuse, and raising the issue strongly to leadership would be

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-27

@BradWilcoxIFS @pauldirks @pearlythingz I think she is simply focusing on a systemic problem where women have an avenue to abuse their husbands and saying “caveat emptor”, buyer beware. However, discouraging marriage is a far bigger concern. Rather...

@BradWilcoxIFS @pauldirks @pearlythingz I think she is simply focusing on a systemic problem where women have an avenue to abuse their husbands and saying “caveat emptor”, buyer beware. However, disc

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-26

@realfatapollo @MACNational You don’t think that you have a right to teach your children about their sexuality? You think the state has a right to override parental instruction in this area? This is not about protecting abuse; it is about parental ...

@realfatapollo @MACNational You don’t think that you have a right to teach your children about their sexuality? You think the state has a right to override parental instruction in this area? This is

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-10

@Emma506131772 @SaulMelow @HamzahSsebunya @Mwembugaoficial @_Huza01 @faith_nabushawo @Abusengz In the church, we are called a kingdom of priests. This is for all believers. “And has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to...

@Emma506131772 @SaulMelow @HamzahSsebunya @Mwembugaoficial @_Huza01 @faith_nabushawo @Abusengz In the church, we are called a kingdom of priests. This is for all believers. “And has made us to be a

1 Tim 2:11-15 Rev 1:6 general
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-13

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 Yes, I read my Bible very carefully. I believe it is fully inspired even down to the grammatical details. I suggested another possible reason our culture is having gender issues is because abuse of patriarchy. What...

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 Yes, I read my Bible very carefully. I believe it is fully inspired even down to the grammatical details. I suggested another possible reason our culture is having g

Gen 3:16 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-04

@laurchas22 This is abuse. An elder should sit down with this man and tell him that how he is shaming the congregation is not good. What if a single mom who catches the bus is late because the bus was late? Surely there must be acceptable reasons ...

@laurchas22 This is abuse. An elder should sit down with this man and tell him that how he is shaming the congregation is not good. What if a single mom who catches the bus is late because the bus w

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-07-21

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii Mike: "This is huge...this is 99% of the debate right

@SWoodl18571 @MikeWingerii Mike: "This is huge...this is 99% of the debate right here in Genesis 1-3 in this one sentence: 'The wife's subordination is presented only as a result of the fall, as a res

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Scripture Commentary debate point

I got a special hug today from Dr. Cynthia Kunsman a very brave lady who has been fighting a battle against authoritarian spiritual abuse

[general] From: Who Cares

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Scripture Commentary debate point

## John Piper: “What should a wife’s submission to her husband look like if he’s an abuser. ”

[general] From: John Piper On Submission In Abuse

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Scripture Commentary debate point

Can complementarianism ever be considered spiritual abuse. Before we can discuss this, we need to know what spiritual abuse is

[general] From: Comp Spiritual Abuse

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Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 2:11-15 specific woman,deception,authenteo,grammar,perfect tense,future tense,anaphoric,egalitarian,ephesus,teknogonia,singular plural,historical perfect,verbal aspect,paul as pattern
Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 1:13-16

Sections: cross_references, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 1:13-16 mercy,ignorance,pattern,hybristEs,paul,blasphemer,persecutor,violent aggressor,deception,egalitarian,restoration
Theology verse entry

1 Peter 3:1-9

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Peter 3:1-9 submission,wives,husbands,Sarah,mutual-honor,egalitarian,context,obedience,intimidation
Theology verse entry

Ephesians 5:18-33

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Ephesians 5:18-33 mutual submission,kephale,source,marriage,kenosis,Spirit-filled,husbands love,wives submit,egalitarian,hupotasso,allelon,household code,head-body metaphor,agapao,self-sacrifice,great mystery,Christ and church,one flesh
Theology verse entry

1 Corinthians 11:10-16

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Corinthians 11:10-16 exousia,woman authority,angels,interdependence,mutual dependence,egalitarian,hair,covering,creation order,corrective,in the Lord
Theology verse entry

Colossians 3:18-19

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Colossians 3:18-19 household code,submission,love,fitting in the Lord,mutual obligation,egalitarian
Theology greek term

ὑβριστής (hybristEs)

insolent aggressor / violent transgressor

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Theology greek term

ἐξουσία (exousia)

authority, right, power

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Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Mistake #5: The argument that complementarianism leads to abuse and is therefore wrong — the most common argument Mike encounters.

Mistake #5: Complementarianism leads to abuse

domestic abuse complementarianism and abuse story-driven theology
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Story-driven theology uses real horrific abuse examples to claim they are the automatic result of complementarianism, which keeps people from reading the Bible.

Mistake #5: Story-driven theology

bypassing scripture domestic abuse story-driven theology
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Barr equates complementarianism with abuse — 'you cannot separate the issues' — making the book about stories creating theology rather than understanding scripture in context.

Mistake #5: Critique of Beth Allison Barr's book

complementarianism and abuse Beth Allison Barr The Making of Biblical Womanhood
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Discovering Biblical Equality chapter 28 argues complementarianism causes domestic abuse from a social science perspective.

Mistake #5: Academic version of the abuse argument

Discovering Biblical Equality domestic abuse complementarianism and abuse
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Quote from Discovering Biblical Equality: complementarianism is 'by definition a system of permanently unequal power distribution' that creates conditions under which abuse flourishes.

Mistake #5: Academic version of the abuse argument

Discovering Biblical Equality domestic abuse complementarianism and abuse
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Extending the analogy: church authority has been abused, boss-employee relationships have been abusive — should we abolish all authority structures?

Mistake #5: Rebuttal via analogy continued

authority structures Ed Citronelli church abuse
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

Abuse can be addressed without proving egalitarians are right — let egalitarians be right because of biblical arguments, not extra-biblical ones. This was probably the biggest reason Mike did not become egalitarian.

Mistake #5: Conclusion

bypassing scripture egalitarianism abuse arguments
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Adam's leadership is limited: Eve shares dominion over creation; the authority difference is only in relation to each other, not in relation to creation.

Limiting the scope of Adam's leadership

limited authority dominion over creation complementarian abuse
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Mike's view: before the fall there was harmonious, tensionless leadership; now the curse introduces conflict -- the solution is alleviating abuse, not eliminating the nature of authority.

Mike's synthesis of Genesis 2-3 on authority

Gen 3:16 Gen 2 post-fall conflict
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Full summary of Genesis 1-3: Genesis 1 = equal image/dominion; Genesis 2 = different roles with husband's limited leadership; Genesis 3 = the fall makes these roles much harder and introduces abuse.

Comprehensive summary of the video's conclusions

complementarianism Gen 2 Gen 3
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-14

Key application: reverse the PAIN of the fall (abuse, domineering, rebellion) but not the NATURE of the relationship (different roles). Fight thorns, not farming; fight abuse, not authority.

Final practical application

voluntary submission reverse pain not nature abuse of authority
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Ephesians 5:22-24 explicitly uses 'submit' and 'be subject to' in the context of headship

Mike reads the full Ephesians 5 passage that egalitarians skip.

Ephesians 5:22-24 submission Ephesians 5:22-24 hupotasso
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Threat to husbands: prayers hindered if they fail to honor their wives

Mike emphasizes the seriousness of the husband's obligation.

1 Peter 3:7 1 Peter 3:7 husband accountability prayers hindered
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

'Do not be harsh' (do not embitter) implies husband's authority

Mike argues the warning against harshness actually confirms authority.

Colossians 3:19 Colossians 3:19 pikraino (embitter) authority and abuse
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Callings are mutually exclusive: husband never told to MAKE wife submit

Mike identifies a key structural feature of the NT marriage instructions.

1 Timothy 3:4-5 mutually exclusive callings abuse prevention 1 Timothy 3:4-5
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Josephus' household code actually supports complementarian view, not egalitarian

Mike argues the Josephus example backfires on the egalitarian case.

household codes Josephus Against Apion
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Both Paul's culture and Paul valued love in marriage and opposed wife abuse

Mike corrects the misconception that love and non-abuse were Paul's innovations.

love in ancient culture love as command wife abuse in ancient world
Mike Winger idea 2022-11-11

Verses 11-12: mutual dependence balances headship -- not refutation but nuance

Mike explains the 'however' of verses 11-12 in the traditional view.

Ephesians 5 1 Peter 3 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 Ephesians 5 1 Peter 3 1 Corinthians 11:11-12
Mike Winger idea 2022-11-11

Final conclusions: male headship is biblical, complementarian, and to be celebrated

Mike delivers his overall conclusions for the passage.

1 Timothy 2 1 Corinthians 14 1 Corinthians 11:3 women in ministry complementarianism eldership
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Definition of complementarianism as the second position

Mike defines complementarianism and its spectrum.

eldership complementarianism image of God
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Egalitarians are fundamentally wrong about role differences but peripherally correct about abuse

Mike provides a nuanced summary of where egalitarians are right and wrong.

role differences egalitarianism abuse
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Three pillars form the biblical view of men and women

Mike introduces the three-pillar framework that structures the rest of the video.

eldership image of God male headship
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Pillar 3: Women's status as image bearers and sons of God is inviolable

Mike introduces the critical third pillar that prevents abuse.

image of God sons of God inviolable status
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