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Scripture Commentary article 2024-09-03

Where Mike Winger Went Wrong on Women

Comprehensive response to the entire Mike Winger Women in Ministry video series (Parts 1-13)

1 Cor 14:35-36 1 Corinthians 11:10 1 Corinthians 11:12 1 Timothy 2 Women in Leadership Debates
Scripture Commentary article 2023-01-17

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Male Headship: Is It Really Biblical?

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 8 on male headship and whether it is really biblical

1 Corinthians 11:3 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 Ephesians 5 1 Corinthians 11 Headship & Kephale
Scripture Commentary tweet 2025-08-10

@american_d1ce Yes wives submit to your husbands! Yes the church submits to Chri

@american_d1ce Yes wives submit to your husbands! Yes the church submits to Christ following the example Christ laid for us.

debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-12-10

@PatrickHen1776 @AJMxya @harmonizedgrace 3000 years? I think not because the the apostles didn’t restrict women and think that only wives submit. Further, many godly men and women have been wrong in the past…all the more if they are following what t...

@PatrickHen1776 @AJMxya @harmonizedgrace 3000 years? I think not because the the apostles didn’t restrict women and think that only wives submit. Further, many godly men and women have been wrong in

debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-24

@martyrian_slave @ronhenzel It doesn’t have to say for men to submit to women be

@martyrian_slave @ronhenzel It doesn’t have to say for men to submit to women because it applies to all. Of course not in the way that husbands and wives submit to each other (for the equal authority

1Co 7:4 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel T Wives submitting does not preclude husbands also submitting (Eph 5

@ronhenzel T Wives submitting does not preclude husbands also submitting (Eph 5:21, Phil 2).

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-23

@ronhenzel Yes, true, wives submit. No disagreement there. And now tell me why

@ronhenzel Yes, true, wives submit. No disagreement there. And now tell me why husbands do not also submit? Did you read anywhere that commands husbands *not* to submit? Eph 5:21 and Phil 2.

Eph 5:21 debate
Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-08-03

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Egalitarians don’t object to wives s

@WagnerJere47288 @humanvideogamer @RenOfMen Egalitarians don’t object to wives submitting. Why is it subversion to say that both submit mutually? Both, not either or.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-01-16

@TheMuppetPastor @Peacemaker811 Wives submit to husbands but so do husbands submit to wives. Your description of vacuuming and getting groceries at her request are just the start. Loving like Jesus loves *IS* subjecting your will to that of others....

@TheMuppetPastor @Peacemaker811 Wives submit to husbands but so do husbands submit to wives. Your description of vacuuming and getting groceries at her request are just the start. Loving like Jesus

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-18

@pauldirks @KaeleyT Wives submitting to their husbands is in the context of the

@pauldirks @KaeleyT Wives submitting to their husbands is in the context of the body submitting one to another, leaders to congregants included. Submitting is not about authority structures but an at

debate
Theology verse entry

1 Peter 3:1-9

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Peter 3:1-9 submission,wives,husbands,Sarah,mutual-honor,egalitarian,context,obedience,intimidation
Theology verse entry

Ephesians 5:18-33

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Ephesians 5:18-33 mutual submission,kephale,source,marriage,kenosis,Spirit-filled,husbands love,wives submit,egalitarian,hupotasso,allelon,household code,head-body metaphor,agapao,self-sacrifice,great mystery,Christ and church,one flesh
Theology verse entry

Colossians 3:18-19

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Colossians 3:18-19 household code,submission,love,fitting in the Lord,mutual obligation,egalitarian
Theology greek term

ὑποτασσόμεναι (hypotassomenai)

submitting (yourselves)

greek
Theology greek term

ἀλλήλοις (allelois)

one another, reciprocally, mutually

greek
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Did NT Christians still practice primogeniture? Wives submitting to husbands?

Mike tests the egalitarian logic against practical NT realities.

Ephesians 5 marriage submission inheritance practices Ephesians 5
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Pierce and Groothuis strangely ignore Ephesians 5:22-24, which explicitly links headship with submission

Mike points out that egalitarian authors skip the most relevant passage.

Ephesians 5:22-24 submission mutual submission Ronald Pierce
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Central question of the video: Does the Bible teach an authority imbalance in marriage?

Mike frames the core question for the entire video, distinguishing it from the simpler question of whether wives should submit.

complementarianism egalitarianism marriage authority
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Three main egalitarian arguments against husband authority in marriage

Mike outlines the egalitarian case before presenting his own view.

egalitarianism mutual submission cultural accommodation
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

What submission does NOT mean: clarifying common misunderstandings

Mike preemptively addresses caricatures of the complementarian position on submission.

submission definition hypotasso
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

What submission DOES mean according to Mike Winger

Mike provides his positive definition of submission.

headship submission definition head-body analogy
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Why marriage is included in a series about women in ministry

Mike defends covering marriage in a ministry-focused series.

women in ministry eldership marriage
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Egalitarian view of marriage gaining popularity primarily in westernized First World countries

Mike notes the cultural context of the debate's popularity.

egalitarianism cultural influence on theology
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Video agenda: three main passages plus egalitarian pushback

Mike outlines the structure of the video.

Titus 2:5 1 Peter 3:1-7 Colossians 3:18-19 Titus 2:5 1 Peter 3:1-7 Colossians 3:18-19
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Teaching through 1 Peter 3:1-7 - wives told to be subject to husbands

Mike reads and begins teaching through the first main passage.

1 Peter 3:1-7 1 Peter 3:1-7 hypotasso ESV translation
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Submission in 1 Peter is not exclusively for evangelism of unsaved husbands

Mike argues against reducing wifely submission to an evangelism strategy.

1 Peter 3:1 1 Peter 3:1 evangelism Lee Strobel
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Submission as character quality, not just cultural convenience

Mike draws out additional reasons from 1 Peter 3 that submission is about inner character.

1 Peter 3:3-5 1 Peter 3:3-5 gentle and quiet spirit holy women of old
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Sarah obeying Abraham as an example that rules out purely evangelistic interpretation

Mike argues the Sarah example confirms submission is a general godly pattern, not culturally bound.

1 Peter 3:5-6 Genesis 18:12 Sarah Abraham 1 Peter 3:5-6
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Submission involves a 'sense of obeying' but not micromanagement obedience

Mike nuances what Sarah's obedience looked like practically.

Sarah obedience in marriage Western individualism
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Sarah calling Abraham 'Lord' (Genesis 18:12) and what it means

Mike examines the only verse where Sarah calls Abraham 'Lord.'

Genesis 18:12 Sarah Genesis 18:12 kyrios
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Sarah casually saw Abraham as the leader -- cultural offense of this concept today

Mike draws out the principle behind Sarah's language.

cultural double standard husband as leader
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Submission is limited to 'your own husband,' not all men

Mike distinguishes complementarianism from patriarchalism.

1 Peter 3:1 patriarchalism 1 Peter 3:1 scope of submission
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

1 Peter 3:7 -- Instructions to husbands: understanding, honor, and equal inheritance

Mike presents the husband's obligations that balance the wife's submission.

1 Peter 3:7 weaker vessel 1 Peter 3:7 co-heirs
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Weaker vessel refers to physical body, not lesser personhood

Mike defends the 'weaker vessel' language as referring to physical differences.

1 Peter 3:7 weaker vessel 1 Peter 3:7 physical differences
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Wife as precious vessel and co-heir -- equal inheritance in Christ

Mike explains the vessel analogy and spiritual equality.

Galatians 3:28 1 Peter 3:7 Galatians 3:28 1 Peter 3:7 equal inheritance in Christ
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Threat to husbands: prayers hindered if they fail to honor their wives

Mike emphasizes the seriousness of the husband's obligation.

1 Peter 3:7 1 Peter 3:7 husband accountability prayers hindered
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Heart of complementarianism: equal value, different authority, mutual accountability

Mike summarizes the complementarian vision of marriage.

complementarianism equal value different roles
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Colossians 3:18-19 -- wives submit, husbands love and don't be harsh

Mike teaches through the second main passage.

Colossians 3:18-19 hypotasso Colossians 3:18-19 as is fitting in the Lord
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

'Do not be harsh' (do not embitter) implies husband's authority

Mike argues the warning against harshness actually confirms authority.

Colossians 3:19 Colossians 3:19 pikraino (embitter) authority and abuse
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Titus 2:5 -- older women to train younger women to be submissive to husbands

Mike covers the first supplemental passage.

Titus 2:5 Titus 2:5 training younger women word of God not reviled
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Ephesians 5:21-24 -- instructions to wives including headship analogy

Mike teaches through the major passage on marriage.

Ephesians 5:21-24 headship Christ and church analogy Ephesians 5:21-24
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Ephesians 5:25-33 -- instructions to husbands: self-sacrificial love like Christ

Mike teaches through the husband's instructions.

Ephesians 5:25-33 self-sacrificial love Ephesians 5:25-33 sanctification in marriage
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Head-body analogy throughout Ephesians 5 reinforces husband's leadership role

Mike traces the head-body metaphor through the passage.

Ephesians 5:23 Ephesians 5:28 Ephesians 5:23 head-body analogy Ephesians 5:28
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Marriage grounded in creation (Genesis) and salvation (Christ and church), not culture

Mike argues the passage's own grounding prevents culturally-bound interpretations.

Ephesians 5:31-32 Genesis 2:24 creation order Ephesians 5:31-32 Genesis 2:24
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Wife has real authority: over home, children, and can make demands on husband

Mike addresses whether complementarianism denies all authority to the wife.

1 Corinthians 7 Proverbs 1:8 1 Corinthians 7 wife's authority Proverbs 1:8
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Can a wife reject her husband's decisions? Yes, in certain situations

Mike addresses limits of wifely submission.

1 Samuel 25 limits of submission Abigail 1 Samuel 25
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Proverbs 31 woman as model of wife with real authority and independence

Mike uses Proverbs 31 to show the ideal wife is not micromanaged.

Proverbs 31:11-16 Proverbs 31 woman Proverbs 31:11-16 Proverbs 31 woman wife's independence
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

1 Corinthians 7:3-5 -- mutual sexual rights and authority over each other's bodies

Mike covers the supplemental passage on conjugal rights.

1 Corinthians 7:3-5 1 Corinthians 7:3-5 conjugal rights mutual authority over bodies
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

1 Corinthians 7:4 rules out polygamy and challenges Greco-Roman sexual double standards

Mike draws out implications of the wife's authority over the husband's body.

1 Corinthians 7:4 1 Corinthians 7:4 polygamy sexual ethics
Mike Winger idea 2022-08-15

Conclusions: husband's authority is real but limited compared to cultural expectations

Mike draws broader conclusions before the egalitarian rebuttal section.

husband's authority limits Jesus on divorce women's religious education
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