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Articles (20)

2020-11-18 book_highlights Millard Erickson

Who''s Tampering with the Trinity?: An Assessment of the Subordination Debate

Millard Erickson — Kindle highlights from 'Who''s Tampering with the Trinity?: An Assessment of the Subordination Debate'. 1 highlights.

2020-11-08 book_highlights Fred Sanders

The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything

Fred Sanders — Kindle highlights from 'The Deep Things of God: How the Trinity Changes Everything'. 1 highlights.

2012-07-29 book_highlights Robert Bowman, J. Ed Komoszewski, and Darrell L. Bock

Putting Jesus in His Place: The Case for the Deity of Christ

Robert Bowman, J. Ed Komoszewski, and Darrell L. Bock — Kindle highlights from 'Putting Jesus in His Place: The Case for the Deity of Christ'. 100 highlights.

2012-02-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Masculine Christianity

This is part 2 of What God intended at creation and it is inspired by a recent lecture given by John Piper where he states that God’s intention for Christianity is for it to have a “ masculine feel “. After discussing John Piper’s Masculine Christianity, I will give my critique of his masculine argu

2009-07-04 debate Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudems An Open Letter To Egalitarians

In 1998 Wayne Grudem wrote “An Open Letter to Egalitarians,” and in the letter, he gave six questions that he said have never been satisfactorily answered

2008-10-15 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Trinity Dvd Release

The Trinity DVD is now in stock and available. Orders can be placed on our web page for MM Outreach here for US orders or here for Canadian and overseas orders or the set is available through Amazon

2008-10-01 debate Cheryl Schatz

Meet Us In Pennsylvania

For anyone in the Pennsylvania area who would like to meet us in person and see the premiere of “The Trinity Eternity Past to Eternity Future Explaining Truth Exposing Error”, we will be in the New Ringgold, PA area at the Witnesses Now For Jesus Convention at the Blue Mountain Christian Retreat  Oc

2008-09-30 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Three Spheres Of Subordination Shrinks To Two

In my last post I pointed to USA Today’s editorial that challenged complementarians who are willing to accept a woman as the Vice President of the country, that they should admit that they are full fledged egalitarians in the realm of society, the workplace and public life

2008-09-26 debate Cheryl Schatz

Unorthodox View Trinity

Wade Burleson has blogged on the Trinity and the unorthodox trend that has come into the church that teaches an eternally subordinated Son of God in the Trinity

2008-09-25 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Are We Too Emotional

Are we really too emotional

2008-09-14 debate Cheryl Schatz

Trinity Dvd Done

Well, it is finally done

2008-06-21 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Taking A Break 2

I will be taking a break for some rest and relaxation for the next two weeks. If I find myself near a computer I may post some articles if I find the time and motivation 🙂

2008-06-03 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Update On Video And Home Sale

This past week has been an extremely busy one for me. I have been editing our Trinity DVD project and have gained a lot of ground by putting everything else pretty much on ignore

2008-05-14 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Scriptural Fences

One of the helpful things in interpreting scripture is to identify what I call “scriptural fences”. These special verses force us to interpret the passage within the limits set up by the “fence” line

2008-05-13 debate Cheryl Schatz

Trinity Dvd Update

For those of you who are interested, we have finished filming our Trinity DVD and I am in the process of setting up the editing studio. This may keep me off line for a day or two

2008-04-20 debate Cheryl Schatz

Hierarchical Teaching Influences The Doctrine Of The Trinity

One of the ways that hierarchical teaching has influenced the church since the 1970’s is in the area of the doctrine of the Trinity. In hierarchical teaching, the Trinity is no longer three functionally equal persons who share the same nature

2008-02-01 debate Cheryl Schatz

The Bayly Brothers And The Trinity

Awhile back I was asked to consider posting a comment on a very strong complementarian blog that is known to be rather unloving towards egalitarians. This particular blog, I found, was run by two pastors of a Presbyterian church who appear to think that egalitarians do not have the right Jesus or th

2008-01-22 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Equal But Different Deteriorates To An Unequal Trinity

The term “equal but different” has become a catch phrase in marriage and “women in ministry” issues as it has replaced the pre-1970’s common view of the inferiority of women. In complementarian circles the thought is that women are equal in person but different in role

2007-12-21 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Jesus Unequal In Prayer

In my research for our new DVD on the Trinity I am amazed that the teaching that God has a hierarchy of “roles” has some convinced that it is the Father alone who hears and answers prayer. This is Bruce Ware’s position in his book on the Trinity called “Father, Son, & Holy Spirit”

2007-11-10 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Trinity And The Womens Issue

Just a quick update to let you all know that our ministry is working on a DVD project on the Trinity. While it isn’t directly on the women’s issue, it will deal directly with the complementarian view of the Trinity and a biblical refutation of that view

Mike Winger Ideas (50)

Analogy to Trinity denial: some reject the Trinity not from scripture but from a philosophical conviction that 'three in one' is impossible, then read the Bible through that lens.

Why We Can't Think Biblically About It: Women In Ministry part 1

God is the head of Christ: 1 Corinthians 15:28 and the Son's submission to the Father

All The Head Covering Debates (1 Cor 11): Women in Ministry part 10

Christian definition of Jesus: the eternal God made flesh, second person of the Trinity, one with the Father in being.

Why Mormons and Christians Can't Understand Each Other

Christian definition of the Trinity: three persons in one being — not three gods in one God. Mike introduces the Shield of the Trinity diagram.

Why Mormons and Christians Can't Understand Each Other

John McCrae's favored arguments: contingency, Kalam, J.P. Moreland's argument from consciousness; also finds psychological features of the Bible's content persuasive

YouTube Atheism vs YouTube Christianity

Jesus had no pre-existent human body; John 1:14 says the Word 'became' flesh, not that he switched bodies; the Incarnation was a genuine becoming

Mike Winger LIVE Q&A on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life

Philosophical argument for the Trinity from God's essential love

A Bunch Of Reasons Christianity Is True: special guest Jonathan McLatchie

Objection 1 stated: Trinitarian harmony in the atonement

Responding to Calvinist Arguments for Limited Atonement

Response to Trinitarian harmony #1: it assumes a single, limited intention for each person of the Trinity without scriptural proof

Responding to Calvinist Arguments for Limited Atonement

Response to Trinitarian harmony #2: the Father can have complexity in his desires — saving all who believe

Responding to Calvinist Arguments for Limited Atonement

Q&A: Severity of the Oneness doctrine — compromises the very nature of God

Why God's Wrath is Good

Q&A: Are people who deny the Trinity but believe in salvation by grace through faith saved?

Stop Saying All Roads Lead to God!

Jacob wrestled with the Angel of the Lord, who is the pre-incarnate Christ (second person of the Trinity)

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 1)

Why the Father is typically called simply God in the NT while Jesus is called the Son: guarding against modalism

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 3)

Jehovah's Witnesses New World Translation renders John 1:1c as "a god" rather than "God"

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 9)

JW theology denies the Trinity and the deity of Christ; NWT is their translation tool to support this denial

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 9)

Dan Wallace on John 1:1: the articular construction fights Sabellianism; the anarthrous predicate fights Arianism

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 9)

Martin Luther quote: lack of article is against Sabellianism; word order is against Arianism

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 9)

Aliens would not disprove any core Christian doctrine: God's existence, the Trinity, Christ's death and resurrection, justification by grace through faith, or the future resurrection.

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 14)

Isaiah 9:6 calls Jesus "Everlasting Father" - Mike cannot recall his full answer but recommends James White's The Forgotten Trinity and Got Questions for responses to Oneness Pentecostal use of the verse.

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 14)

Q14: "Don't lean on your own understanding" (Prov 3:5) — using understanding vs. leaning on it

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 16)

The Holy Spirit specifically is said to grieve because He is the unifying presence dwelling within believers — our division grieves Him most directly

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 17)

Mike gives an extended reading and defense of 1 Corinthians 11 on head coverings, arguing the text is about role differentiation within a framework of equal personal value, not about female inferiority, and that charging God with sexism reflects moral overreach toward the Creator.

Live Q&A With Mike Winger

Isaiah 9:6 — "Everlasting Father" as a title for Jesus: representational fullness of God

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 19)

Oneness Pentecostalism and baptism: standing firm on Trinitarian faith with grace

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 19)

Isaiah's monotheistic declarations that God alone is Savior and Rock are not contradicted by Jesus being called Rock and Savior — Jesus is God.

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 28)

Mark 14:36 refutes Oneness Pentecostal modalism by demonstrating distinct wills between Father and Son.

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 31)

Q: 2 Corinthians 3:17 ("the Lord is the Spirit") — does it teach Jesus is the Holy Spirit? It affirms oneness in God but not Oneness Pentecostal theology. The Spirit is sometimes called the Spirit of Jesus; the Holy Spirit is Christ's presence with us. But the full NT also affirms distinct persons of the Trinity.

Live Q&A with Mike Winger

Winger affirms the Father has authority over the Son but attributes this to the Incarnation (Phil 2:5-8), not necessarily to the eternal nature of the Trinity. He's open to but not convinced by Eternal Functional Subordination (EFS). Explicitly says he does NOT use EFS to defend complementarianism.

10 Questions with Mike Winger (Episode 5)

Q&A — Do they teach against the non-negotiables (Trinity, grace through faith, virgin birth, etc.)? Not explicitly — most are present but the Trinity and virgin birth are rarely discussed

Bill Johnson's Theology and Movement Examined Biblically.

Q&A: Are there essential Christian beliefs that are genuinely hard to understand for non-scholars?

Refuting Six and a Half Reasons Why the Bible Is Not Divinely Inspired?

Mark 13:32 — Jesus not knowing the hour does not threaten his deity

Live Q&A - Theology, Apologetics and The Christian Life

Defending the Trinity against Jehovah's Witnesses: Mike's teaching video addresses their specific objections

Live Q&A - Theology, Apologetics and The Christian Life

Question: Did Jesus claim to be the Father in John 14:9?

Answering Questions From Live Chat Today on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life

John 14:9 context: Philip asks to see the Father; Jesus responds with a revelation claim, not an identity claim.

Answering Questions From Live Chat Today on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life

Hebrews 1 supports the distinction: Jesus is the radiance/imprint of God, not God the Father himself.

Answering Questions From Live Chat Today on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life

John 14:10 reinforces Trinitarian distinction: Jesus is "in" the Father, not identical to the Father.

Answering Questions From Live Chat Today on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life

John 20:17 — Jesus says "my Father and your Father, my God and your God": Jesus as mediator connects believers to the Father.

Answering Questions From Live Chat Today on Theology, Apologetics and the Christian Life

Apologetic mission trips: exposing youth to real intellectual and religious conflict as a discipleship strategy

The State of Youth Today and How to Disciple Them (Dr. Sean McDowell)

Gethsemane — Jesus was not separated from the Father; "forsaken" means handed over to a terrible fate, not ontological separation of the Trinity

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 4)

Hebrews 1:1-2 — God created the world "through" his Son: economic Trinity and the agency of the Son in creation

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 5)

Oneness Pentecostalism: critique of modalism and concern about authoritarian/bully theology

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 10)

Early church creeds: authoritative insofar as they reflect Scripture, not equal to Scripture; beware anachronism

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 12)

New Christians' obligation to evangelize and defend faith — know your limits

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 24)

Non-negotiable Christian doctrines — essentials vs. secondary issues

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 24)

Q: 2 Corinthians 3:17 ("the Lord is the Spirit") — does it teach Jesus is the Holy Spirit? It affirms oneness in God but not Oneness Pentecostal theology. The Spirit is sometimes called the Spirit of Jesus; the Holy Spirit is Christ's presence with us. But the full NT also affirms distinct persons of the Trinity.

Live Q&A with Mike Winger

Winger affirms the Father has authority over the Son but attributes this to the Incarnation (Phil 2:5-8), not necessarily to the eternal nature of the Trinity. He's open to but not convinced by Eternal Functional Subordination (EFS). Explicitly says he does NOT use EFS to defend complementarianism.

10 Questions with Mike Winger (Episode 5)

Defense of the Trinity: Hi Mike! I fully believe in the Trinity due to ALL of Scripture. But 1 Corinthians 8:6 is a bit problematic and seems Unitarian. What do you make of it?

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 35)

About “Divine Simplicity”: Do you believe in divine simplicity? If so, how do you reconcile it with the Trinity?

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 37)

Is Yahweh Only the Father’s Name?: Some people I know say Yahweh is the name of the whole Trinity combined. I thought Yahweh was only the name of the Father (like how Jesus is the name of the Son). What are your thoughts?

20 Questions with Pastor Mike (Episode 42)

Related Comments (20)

Michael Terran 2007-10-16T06:01:47-07:00

What great questions! Yes I’m on the TBC mailing list as well. you said “Neither extreme is right.” Your right on that one. I said this before, I think God uses male terms like ,He, Father,Him etc s...

Michael Terran 2008-10-30T23:49:32-07:00

Hello,  I just got the Trinity DVD “Love It”! I’m starting to pass it out to some! Please Pray as always. Thanks Cheryl for all your hard work! You nailed every scripture on the topics at hand! Amen ...

Ramon 2009-01-10T08:52:47-07:00

Hi Cheryl, I strongly disagree with your interpretation of scripture. You are correct that, Nowhere in scripture is there to be a designated “priest of the home”. Then again there is nowhere in scrip...

Cheryl Schatz 2009-01-10T09:14:27-07:00

Ramon, The word “Trinity” doesn’t need to be given in scripture because the concept of three persons all called God but only one God is in scripture.  There is absolutely no such concept of “priest i...

CP 2007-09-13T16:58:58-07:00

HI Cheryl, This seems really complex for something i have found never to be an issue. The tension i find with your position is like all ‘theories’ you can set them up to mean what you intend the outc...

Cheryl 2007-09-13T17:12:30-07:00

CP, Thanks for your comments. You may need to read the post again if you found it complex. It actually is very straightforward and plain. I do agree with you that both sinned in the garden. After al...

Cheryl Schatz 2009-09-18T17:38:33-07:00

truthseeker, I am very glad that you are willing to dialog on this issue. I believe that it is a very important one. You said: > You said they brought us a sin nature. Very very different-sin natur...

Michael Kruse 2006-12-11T03:58:54-07:00

#1 Cheryl, your last comment was four pages single spaced when I copied into a word document. This post and the comments we are all making here may be your first book! 🙂 I am going to address several...

Michael Kruse 2006-12-11T03:59:41-07:00

On Length of Days: Heb 4:4-11 4 For in one place it speaks about the seventh day as follows, “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.†5 And again in this place it says, “They sha...

Paula 2006-12-11T06:08:02-07:00

Re: On Length of Days: > ([Heb 4:4-11](logos4:///Bible/Heb 4.4-11)) > The seventh day has not ended. Is Hebrews in error when it suggests the seven day was not 24 hours? I think you’re mixing days...

Cheryl 2006-12-11T21:23:55-07:00

Michael, Martin, Paula – go ahead and continue to discuss the issues as I work on my responses. I may not be as fast as you folks are 🙂 Michael: Regarding your first post (#1).  You said:  “Cher...

Michael 2007-10-12T22:10:16-07:00

I also see the opposing side messing with the TRINITY!!! Trying to work there false teaching of not letting Godly Gifted Women to teach into the Trinity and messing with our dear Lord Jesus! They are ...

Michael Terran 2007-12-31T21:38:47-07:00

Thanks for the 411 Cheryl, I showed disc 3 to my friend Bonnie and she loved it, this is great teaching! What I have notice is these ministries and churches that promote there opposing view don’t put ...

Cheryl 2008-01-01T00:21:44-07:00

Michael, I am glad that your friend Bonnie enjoyed the DVD. The Trinity DVD is still in the research stage. From there it will be written and then edited into a script. It is a fairly long process....

Cheryl 2007-10-30T11:45:24-07:00

Dennis, I have access to the books now, it is just a matter of finding them and finding the references. It will take some time because of what is on my plate right now, but I think that this would b...

Michael Terran 2007-10-06T20:32:42-07:00

Hello, My dear sisters In Christ. I was taught that men teach women follow, well that all changed when the Lord changed me! After I was Born-Again I was studing like crazy, I found that women can be ...

Zwagmeister 2007-05-30T20:40:07-07:00

Cheryl great stuff. clear and well presented. thanks. the way ‘head’ is traditionally connected with authority and men over (all) women simply cannot (as you have demonstrated) be proven from script...

hannibal.lecture 2007-07-05T11:07:20-07:00

Cheryl, As always your thoughts are compelling and as always, the complementarians are still mired in tradition. Grudem, Moore, Kostenberger et. al. must now re-manufacture the trinity so that it has ...

Cheryl 2007-07-07T08:17:09-07:00

“H” my friend, Thanks for the link. I am familiar with Giles work and I highly recommend it. There are some personal conclusions on other issues that I do not agree with Giles on, however on the sub...

Cheryl 2007-08-15T22:36:44-07:00

Lin, The issue of Adam “naming” Eve as “woman” has been so misrepresented by the opposition. I would love to hear other’s comments too but I would also like to do a post on this one. I will mark it i...