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Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Ephesians 4:11-12 is about offices (apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds/teachers) not about gifts applicable to the question

Mike examines Ephesians 4 but determines it is about offices, not gifts.

Ephesians 4:11-12 offices vs. gifts Ephesians 4:11-12 pastor-teacher
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

1 Corinthians 12:8-11 — speaking gifts (word of wisdom, word of knowledge, tongues, interpretation) seem available to women by analogy with prophecy

Mike examines another gifts list and finds it would be arbitrary to say women can prophesy but not have other speaking gifts.

1 Corinthians 12:8-11 1 Corinthians 12:8-11 word of wisdom word of knowledge
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

1 Peter 4:10-11 — 'whoever speaks' includes all speaking gifts and all are meant to be used

Mike cites 1 Peter to show gifts are meant to be used, not kept dormant.

1 Peter 4:10-11 spiritual gifts 1 Peter 4:10-11
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Women gifted in teaching should use that gift — find ways that honor biblical limitations

Mike counsels pastors on how to handle gifted women in their churches.

women teaching practical ministry application
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Mike's personal example: he served as youth pastor for 13 years and never functioned as senior pastor, yet his gifts were not limited

Mike uses his own ministry experience to show that gifts can be fully expressed outside the senior elder role.

Calvary Chapel youth ministry gifts expressed outside eldership
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Gifts do not seem gender-specific; leadership and teaching could be gifts women have

Mike's conclusion on the first part of the gifts argument.

apostles spiritual gifts offices vs. gifts
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Most Christians gifted in teaching are not elders — you can teach without being an elder

Mike challenges the assumption that having a gift requires the highest office to express it.

eldership teaching gift offices vs. gifts
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Second part of gifts argument: Philip Payne says gifts are 'for the common good' so you cannot restrict who a woman teaches

Mike addresses the more challenging claim from Payne.

1 Corinthians 12:7 Philip Payne 1 Corinthians 12:7 common good
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Titus 2:3-5 — older women are to teach younger women; a biblical case for women's teaching ministry outside eldership

Mike provides a scriptural example of women teaching in appropriate contexts.

Titus 2:3-5 Titus 2:3-5 women's ministry women teaching
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Not everyone who teaches is an elder — an elder must be able to teach, but ability to teach does not require eldership

Mike makes the logical distinction between necessary and sufficient conditions.

Colossians 3:16 Colossians 3:16 teaching gift necessary but not sufficient
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Colossians 3:16 — mutual teaching applies to all believers including women; Priscilla corrected Apollos

Mike argues that general mutual teaching and admonishing in the church includes women teaching men.

Colossians 3:16 Priscilla Apollos Colossians 3:16
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Romans 12:6-8 revisited — women were in every gift category except teaching/leading; it is arbitrary to exclude them from those two

Mike restates the argument from Romans 12 more explicitly.

Romans 12:6-8 spiritual gifts Romans 12:6-8
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

It would contradict clear passages to say women can never lead or teach, but the question is: in what realms?

Mike affirms women have gifts of teaching and leadership based on Scripture and personal observation.

necessary but not sufficient women teaching realms of ministry
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Egalitarian claim that women are 'kept from serving God according to their gifting' is wrong — most gifted teachers are not elders

Mike rebuts the claim that restricting eldership means restricting women's gifts.

spiritual gifts argument gifts expressed outside eldership
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 — there are 'varieties' of gifts, service, and activities; not all gifts are expressed the same way

Mike uses Paul's own language to show gifts are meant to be expressed in diverse ways.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 varieties of ministry
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Ministry positions should be shaped around people's gifts, not forcing people into existing roles

Mike offers a practical ministry philosophy digression.

ministry philosophy shaping roles around gifts
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Rebutting Payne's 'for the common good' argument: Paul meant gifts should benefit others, not that all gifts must be expressed Sunday morning in front of everyone

Mike directly addresses Philip Payne's use of 1 Corinthians 12:7.

1 Corinthians 12:7 Philip Payne 1 Corinthians 12:7 common good
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Stanley Grenz argues 'the integral relation between gifts and ministry' means the church must give place for the giftedness of all persons

Mike quotes another egalitarian scholar's version of the gifts argument.

Discovering Biblical Equality spiritual gifts argument Stanley Grenz
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Grenz presumes (1) teaching and leadership can only find true expression in eldership — Mike disagrees

Mike identifies the first false premise in Grenz's argument.

1 Corinthians 12:4-6 Stanley Grenz gifts expressed outside eldership 1 Corinthians 12:4-6
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Grenz presumes (2) gifts are the ONLY requirement for eldership — Scripture clearly gives additional requirements including gender

Mike identifies the second false premise.

1 Timothy 3 Titus 1 1 Timothy 3 Stanley Grenz eldership qualifications
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Summary of gifts argument: women likely have teaching/leadership gifts, no scripture limits those gifts by gender, but limitations are on who can be an elder specifically

Mike summarizes his conclusions from the gifts argument.

eldership spiritual gifts argument
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Why gifts do not translate to eldership: (1) one can teach and lead outside eldership; (2) the restriction is gender-based, not gift-based; (3) gifting alone cannot be sufficient for appointment

Mike gives three reasons why the gifts argument fails to establish women as elders.

spiritual gifts argument eldership qualifications gender-based restriction
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Tom Schreiner quote: complementarians should not give the impression women are unintelligent or lack teaching ability

Mike quotes a fellow complementarian to correct unhealthy attitudes toward women's teaching.

Colossians 3:16 1 Corinthians 14:26 Tom Schreiner Apollos Colossians 3:16
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Bias against women's teaching comes from women too, not just men

Mike points out that the attitude that women cannot correct men is held by some women as well.

women teaching gender bias
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Rebutting Philip Payne's use of Colossians 3:16 to claim all Christians should have a teaching ministry

Mike addresses Payne's argument that Colossians 3:16 proves every woman should have a teaching ministry.

Colossians 3:16 Philip Payne Colossians 3:16 teaching ministry
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

1 Corinthians 12:29-30 — Paul's rhetorical questions show not everyone is supposed to teach

Mike cites Paul's own words against the idea that all Christians should have a teaching ministry.

1 Corinthians 12:29-30 Philip Payne teaching ministry 1 Corinthians 12:29-30
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Video summary — Argument 1: Persecution argument is clearly false

Mike begins his final summary of all five arguments.

N.T. Wright persecution argument
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Video summary — Argument 2: 'Sat at the feet' meant rabbinical training is false, but women should pursue full theological education

Summary of the rabbi-training argument.

N.T. Wright rabbinical training women in theological education
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Video summary — Argument 3: Universal priesthood is true but priesthood is not the only factor in eldership

Summary of the universal priesthood argument.

universal priesthood of believers complementarian correction husband as priest
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Video summary — Argument 4: Women can prophesy in mixed gatherings but prophecy is radically different from eldership

Summary of the prophecy argument.

soft complementarianism prophecy argument complementarian correction
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Video summary — Argument 5: Women can teach and lead but should find expression outside the role of elder

Summary of the gifts argument.

eldership spiritual gifts argument women teaching
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Preview of next video: Galatians 3:28 — 'the ultimate egalitarian proof text'

Mike previews the next video in the series.

Galatians 3:28 egalitarian proof text Galatians 3:28
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Mike invites substantive, detailed critique rather than vague pushback

Mike asks critics to provide specific claims, sources, and evidence when challenging his arguments.

methodology
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

N.T. Wright's argument sourced from Kenneth Bailey who based it on cultural parallels

The persecution argument relies on Kenneth Bailey's claim that persecution of women only makes sense if they were leaders, based on 'cultural parallels.'

N.T. Wright Surprised by Scripture Kenneth Bailey
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Mike spent 12 hours searching for Bailey's source; read two of his books and papers on Google Scholar

Mike attempted rigorous scholarly verification of Wright's cited source.

N.T. Wright Kenneth Bailey source verification
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

The English word 'priest' comes from Greek 'presbyter' (elder), not the actual Greek word for priest

Mike explains etymological confusion between priest and elder.

etymology presbyter hiereus
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Mike calls himself a 'soft complementarian' because egalitarian arguments bring needed balance

Mike explains why he uses the term 'soft complementarian.'

soft complementarianism secondary doctrinal issue
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Mike is not a cessationist — he believes prophecy still occurs today

Mike briefly states his position on the continuation of spiritual gifts.

cessationism continuationism
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Andronicus and Junia — debate about whether there were female apostles

Mike briefly mentions the debate about Junia's status as an apostle.

Romans 16:7 Romans 16:7 Andronicus and Junia female apostle debate
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Definition of the two sides: complementarian and egalitarian

Mike defines the two major positions in the women in ministry debate for his audience.

women in ministry complementarianism egalitarianism
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Galatians 3:28 used by egalitarians to override other passages like 1 Timothy 2

Mike explains how egalitarians deploy Galatians 3:28 as an interpretive rule that forces reinterpretation of complementarian proof texts.

1 Timothy 2 Galatians 3:28 1 Timothy 2 Galatians 3:28 hermeneutical priority
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Series recap: Videos 1-2 summary

Mike reviews the previous videos in the Women in Ministry series.

Genesis 1-3 Genesis 1-3 pre-fall role differences extra-biblical assumptions
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Series recap: Videos 5-6 and complementarians also receiving correction

Mike positions himself as correcting both sides, though more strongly opposing egalitarianism.

soft complementarianism women apostles
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Mike's personal journey: wanted to become egalitarian but became more strongly complementarian

Mike shares his personal bias check and research journey.

soft complementarianism personal testimony
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

F.F. Bruce's declaration that Galatians 3:28 is the basic principle governing other Pauline texts

Mike quotes F.F. Bruce via Groothuis to show how the verse is used as a hermeneutical rule.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Galatians 3:28 1 Timothy 2:11 1 Corinthians 14:34 Galatians 3:28 hermeneutical priority
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Westfall's primogeniture claim vs. Paul's actual point about sonship

Mike distinguishes between Paul's meaning and Westfall's application.

Genesis 2 primogeniture Cynthia Long Westfall Genesis 2
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Critique of feminism for devaluing traditional women's roles

Mike argues that modern feminism has negatively influenced the debate.

women's roles cultural influence on theology feminism
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Galatians 3:28 does not prove complementarianism right either — it is simply about a different topic

Mike qualifies his argument to avoid overreach.

1 Timothy 2 Galatians 3:28 1 Timothy 2 Galatians 3:28 hermeneutical method
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

1 Peter 3:7 threatens husbands who mistreat wives: hindered prayers

Mike emphasizes the complementarian check on husband authority.

1 Peter 3:7 1 Peter 3:7 hindered prayers husband accountability
Mike Winger idea 2022-06-20

Critique of Westfall's claim that complementarians make gender the 'salient identity' in the church

Mike responds to a misrepresentation of the complementarian position.

Cynthia Long Westfall salient identity misrepresentation of complementarianism
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