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Ok, getting back to answering Mark. Several of his paragraphs subsequent to the ones I have already addressed are expansions on the same issues. So I’m going to comment only on the ones that are left

Mark, > This is a massive debate which we have barely touched on, so i hope you can appreciate why i had to probe your view since it was producing a contradiction in the word. But it is good to see y

Hi everyone, Curious as to whom to believe – egalitarians or complementarists – I begun a research four years ago. I found that despite all the fancy rhetoric and emotional appeals, modern complemen

Mark, I missed your Bible references on your post. Sorry. I have been copying and pasting sections for comment and for some reason I must have been interrupted and didn’t finish reading that one post

Cheryl, There are a number of problems with the complementarian interpretation of [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1)-3 that you and the others have pointed out. In the comments and observations that foll

#28 Mark, Sorry for the slowness. I am trying to slow down some as ministry work has taken up so much time and I am working on my first book. It isn’t easy to carve out a few hours at a time and whe

Mark, You said: > You can’t say that the woman’s seed (in the context) is victorious over the serpents-so whether you translate it crush, strike, bruise etc you must do the same for both. Yes, I a

Mark, You said: > I would like to know how you think that ‘dead people’ can respond to God. “Dead” is a metaphor. We know that “dead” people can bury the dead. They can eat, drink, be merry and th

I don’t think that one could call the complimentarian view of the Trinity “unorthodox”. The doctrine of the Trinity was something the early Church had to wrestle through and they opposed the Arians so

Kay, I tried posting my comments on Mike’s site a second time, and if I read the message that popped up, I think it went through but will be posted later. And I think your are correct in your assessm

TL, I think you are right. And it is interesting that the Free Methodists, who broke away from the Methodists over slavery in 1860 (since the Methodist church refused to speak against it) were the fir

Sorry to dump the truck on everyone, but I thought some of you may be interested that I received an email from Mark (from Sola Panel) today. Elaine specifically asked if I could post it here. Sorry fo

Michael, Martin, Paula – go ahead and continue to discuss the issues as I work on my responses. I may not be as fast as you folks are 🙂 Michael: Regarding your first post (#1).  You said:  “Cher

I received an email from a friend who was interested in dialogging on the issue of sin but didn’t want to post on the blog so I am going to address their concerns/questions to me here for everyone to

Okay, I’m back. There must be a limit to how long these posts and comments can be because my post kept disappearing. Oh well, to carry on… Michael you said “I am sleepless so I have been surfing the

Here are two excerpts from my book which deal with the question of the subjection of the Son to the Father and how it relates to the assumed subjection of the woman to the man. (I didn’t feel like re-

Mark, I apologize for the terseness of my previous comment. It was addressed more to Cheryl, Dave, Lin, and Kay who know me better than you do, and who understand where I am coming from. For on both C

Mark, I am continually amazed at how you refuse to engage the challenge and yet you come back as if you can find another source of accusation against me now charging me with being “selective” in the

Mark, > Have you now changed your view from saying they couldn’t speak His name to now they could, but the full revelation of what that meant didn’t come until [Exodus 3](logos4:///Bible/Ex 3)? If so

Hi Cheryl, I realize this is an old post and I’m dragging it back out, but I’m doing research for a study of [1 Cor 11:1-16](logos4:///Bible/1Co 11.1-16) and I’m a little confused about something you

Cheryl, The kingdom of God/Heaven is the same thing, but just expressed differently, so although the term ‘heaven’ is used it is still the kingdom of God. And please don’t give the impression that I

NN, Thanks for joining in the discussion so that we can work on clarification on this issue and a sense of unity in our love for the Lord Jesus and each other. > A few points are necessary to clari

Susanna, You said: > the comps are arguing that only Adam was called by God. This is the central argument which supports the beliefs that > > 1. The man was created to lead the woman > 2. The woma

Diane Sellner from CARM has apparently decided to do Matt’s work and reply to my article so I gladly put her comments for all to see and so I can soundly answer them. Diane is answering my articles th

Hi Michael, No your teacher analogy isn’t correct. I didn’t even think it try to pull it apart because it is meaningless to me. I would rather put my effort into the inspired Hebrew. English does not

Cheryl, I was very sorry to read Kamilla’s response. I thought your rules of engagment were very protective for her. And I agree that a public correction is the only option here. We must all test ever

Cheryl, I understand your position on [1 Timothy 2:12-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12-15) to be that Paul is telling one specific wife in the church to stop teaching her husband false doctrine, and that

Donna, let me answer your points, but first make one of my own: that “misrepresentation” is a very common charge on this topic and many others. When Christians disagree, it seems to be the first react

Craig, Whats the evidence that women struggle more with that or at least did in Paul’s time? Why can it not just be what it says…simply a qualification that applies to women or wives? This is the h

NN, You said: > To reiterate – we are agreed that Christ (in human form) had authority and that Christ now has authority – in fact All authority (irregardless of its origin). May I rewrite this to

Lin, #149: > Notice the strawman argument we see being used everywhere about egals: Technically, it’s the “slippery slope” fallacy: A causes B causes C causes D… It proposes causes and effect where

#24 Frank, Sorry that I am so slow at getting to some of these comments. > Years ago, when I studied both prophecy and prophetic ministry in the NT, it became apparent to me, as I made a comparativ

Oops. I missed the anti-spam word and copied the code from the other page. Grudem’s Open Letter to Egalitarians has been well answered many times. In fact, that webpage used to contain the responses

Dave, I appreciate both your and Kay’s comments and suggestions on my last comment. Right now, I am expanding and editing my comments on [Colossians 3:15-17](logos4:///Bible/Col 3.15-17), as suggested

Lin, Thank you for expressing your thoughts so clearly and by doing so you have encouraged me too!  I too feel the same way as you do.  These are our brothers in Christ who deserve to be encouraged

Mark, You said: > When have i said that ‘ha’adam’ has to ‘always’ mean more than one person. You have assumed this about me. But i have clearly said semantically that it ‘can’ mean more than one pe

Don, While I can see “tender” is a by-product of circumcision, I think there is a much greater application concerning what is **cut off** not what is left. This is why I believe very strongly that t

Now, I hope the readers of my “little treatise” on the Trinity and the Subordinationist use of [1 Corinthians 11:3](logos4:///Bible/1Co 11.3), which I began in Comment #280, will carefully note and re

Cheryl, “I also accept that the Hebrew grammar makes a distinction between knowing God’s name and knowing His full character that He revealed with Moses.” This is a massive debate which we have bar

I’m sorry it has taken me longer, than I originally intended, to make a response to Mark’s latest comments ( #228) of my critique of the ESS teaching. But as you well know, Cheryl, the responsibilitie

Dear Fellows, I would like to state that more than half of these paradoxes you are struggling with could have readily been prevented by reading my website <http://gfwilkinprofwomen.webs.com/>, and

Hi, Cheryl. I’ve been following these video posts with interest and am astonished at how much comp teaching has in common with JW teaching. Really! I’ve worked as an overseas missionary most of my li

Peter, you wrote about [John 17:12](logos4:///Bible/Jn 17.12) In this verse, looking at the words of the text, Judas is among the “them” group. Of the members of this group, Judas is the one that was

Hi everyone, From a different blog I have been involved with recently, there was a question raised over the legitimacy of thinking that Paul had a particular Ephesian woman in mind, from the perspect

Well, Cheryl, I think you are doing a good job in accurately explaining what the Scriptures actually teach about women teaching and preaching, while pointing out the contradictions in his own position

Mark, You mention my lack of Greek exegesis on [Eph 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11). Well let me enlighten you so that we can be on the same page. The grammar of [Eph 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11)

Mark you wrote: “I’m interested to hear how you believe you have answered Grudem’s challenge. Can you explain how [James 4:4-10](logos4:///Bible/Jas 4.4-10) is reciprocal submission with no authority?

> why did Paul speak of it just once, in a private letter to his “deputy,” rather than in a letter to the whole church? And why didn’t he say anything about it to the church at Rome, where women had a

Re: On Length of Days: > ([Heb 4:4-11](logos4:///Bible/Heb 4.4-11)) > The seventh day has not ended. Is Hebrews in error when it suggests the seven day was not 24 hours? I think you’re mixing days

That is illogical. A person could say a similar statement this way: All the children had ice cream except for little Marcie as Marcie only likes cake. Marcie is one of the children, but is she a part

Dave, “Now, in regards to the use of the word “teach” and “authentein”, how can it be positive in this context? Paul is saying he does not permit it. Nowhere has Paul suggested that it is ok for anyo

Wow, we are up to comment 55 and still haven’t begun looking at the text! You are correct in assuming that i haven’t read or know alot of what Wayne Grudem has written. In fact i have a book on the

Cheryl, it seems to me that you have fabricated a rule of Greek grammar for yourself regarding what ‘she’ and ‘they’ can or cannot refer to in order to prop up your view on [1 Timothy 2:11-15](logos4:

Mark, You also answered Kay that a widow who was older ([1 Timothy 5:9-12](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 5.9-12)) could be nothing more than one who needed financial support. I would like to differ with this

Paula, “I didn’t say they were equal in length, but that the days would be equal to ages, that is, they would stand for ages.†I went back and reread. You are correct, my error. I misread. “

I have read through Interview Rounds 8 and 9, and found them very good. But I wonder if our rigid distincitions between elders, overseers and ministers (which in Greek are prebuteroi, episcapoi, and d

Hmmm, it appears I have trouble with people disagreeing with me. So far only when talking with you Mark! You gave wise advice to Lydia, that assumptions do not help our discussion. Let me say the foll

Sue, I admire your honestly regarding your bias. I think that is helpful for all to understand, so that when comments are made rejecting the BDAG for example because of bias, one can see that such an

Lawrence, Apparently you didn’t read my article very carefully because you didn’t answer the fact that the meaning of a word is evident in its context. The context of [1 Cor. 11](logos4:///Bible/1Co

@Mark #43 > I would have thought that an exegesis based on one’s own un supported grammtical interpretation would be a hole to begin with…a major hole. Unsupported? No true at all but seems to be yo

This does not really go here but it is about Eve and the teaching out there about her. A friend sent me this today. It is a quote from Mark Driscoll about Eve.(CBMW disagrees with Driscoll as he allow

Dave, We are always going to but heads. I recommend you read the scholarly work of comps such as that book i recommended before you continue to argue for Cheryl’s exegesis. s Kostenberger has con

My dear friend and theological mentor, Dr. Robert K. Wright, told my about your sight, Cheryl, and the discussion on the current Neo-Arian heresy that has arisen within the Evangelical churches, thank

Hello, everyone. I have read through this post and the comments made on it, at least twice, first to make sure I correctly the arguments and counter-arguments, and then to decide what are appropri ate

Frank, You make this claim: 2. The insistence that kephale in [1 Cor 11:3](logos4:///Bible/1Co 11.3) must mean “authority over” and not “source” so as to weigh an argument in one’s favor against h

Mark, To just use Pinklight as an example, yes, she has asked you why you have an issue with believing that the salvation of the woman might be conditional on her husband. I do not have a problem wi

Why have you set things up on this blog so that biblical references are automatically linked to the website of ESV, a version which (as documented at [the Better Bibles Blog](http://englishbibles.blog

Craig, Prof Catherine Kroeger has written about the possible sexual meaning of authentein. <http://www.godswordtowomen.org/kroeger_ancient_heresies.htm> > But what can the term authentein imply in

Hi Matt, Thank you for coming to this blog. You are most certainly welcome here and your opposing viewpoint is welcome to be expressed. Don’t be surprised, though, if you find some well thought out c

Mark, you said, “We are always going to but heads. I recommend you read the scholarly work of comps such as that book i recommended before you continue to argue for Cheryl’s exegesis”. Are be butting

Don: “In Greek the presence of the definite article makes the noun definite, but the absence of the definite article does NOT necessarily make the noun indefinite, see Wallace “Greek Grammar Beyond th

Well, Cheryl, I’m sorry to learn that Chris, when he couldn’t defeat you on the “home field,” had to make a playing field of his own, where he plays against “straw women and straw men,” which are noth

My final e-mail to Gerald. I have be in dialog with him on this issue but it came to the point where I have to kick the dust of so to speak. I want to show the Love of Christ but there has to be a tim

Hi Cheryl. Thanks you so much for your comments. It seems like the crux of our where we disagree distills down to verse 39. In the context of the entire passage, my reading doesn’t cause any strain on

Cheryl,I just ordered the DVD and I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say about this issue.  The clip on youtube was very good and what I would like to know is how Ware handles the fact t

Hi everyone, I have been having a discussion about [1 Tim 2](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2) with a comp friend. He is in 1st year theological college. He asked his Greek lecturer about some of the things I

Michael, > I am not saying that individual days are equal lengths, only that they are unspecified lengths of time but distinct periods. I didn’t say they were equal in length, but that the days woul

#24 Chris, I apologize that I haven’t been too fast this past week. It has been an extremely busy time for me. > Cheryl, it seems to me that you have fabricated a rule of Greek grammar for yourself

John, Welcome!  Thanks for your comments. You asked: > I am just absolutely stunned! I dont know how you can attribute that passage to “Judaizers”! The Judaizers were a problem in many of the Gent

tiro3, What you do is highlight a word when you are in the regular comment mode (not html) and once the word is highlighted the little chain above will become visible. Click on that and you can add a

Yes, Paul was well educated in the Greek society, but were his readers? Considering that the majority of the early Christians were illiterate slaves, it is a stretch to say that the readers would have

1. A correction for post #61. Mara thought that Piper was part of Sovereign Grace Ministries (SGM). He is not. From what I know SGM is led, at least in part if not primarily, by C.J. Mahaney. Piper is

Thank you, Bob K. Wright! Cheryl, I too am baffled at how Bruce Ware can remotely and with any sense of good conscience quote Augustine (when discussing Christ being the Eternal Son of the Father —

Cheryl, your article is a wonderful reply to that old saw: “If Jesus were really counter-cultural in his treatment of women, why didn’t he choose any women to be his apostles?” And a complementary res

Well, it seems the discussion with Mark has gone to quite some length. And I’m sorry got to it much later than Lin did; I wish I could have commented on some of these points myself. But I think everyo

Thanks Truthseeker! I had never read about it either any where. It HIT me some time last week…the context can only support who Paul was refering to in v3 when he penned the word “God”. I want to se

Let me start by thanking Cheryl for her willingness to interact with an opposing idea. A few points are necessary to clarify the content of what I said and to point out that the logical demonstration

@Kristen 86 Thank you so much for your excellent link regarding “a one woman man” typically translated as “the husband of one wife”! I love it! Here is an excerpt: “Two of the most prominent comp

Cheryl first of all look at my post #241 and then im sure you will see relevant bible passage that show that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all call God LORD, not to mention all the other people, the slave,