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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-03-10

@MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @pastherandie @JollyStine @jdpritchett Just looking at Rhaven's summary: "After he said everything listed in Genesis 3 was the curse pronounc...

@MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @pastherandie @JollyStine @jdpritchett Just looking at Rhaven's summary: "After he said eve

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-08

@JoshBuice @William_E_Wolfe When you eisegete Genesis 3:16 as God establishing a

@JoshBuice @William_E_Wolfe When you eisegete Genesis 3:16 as God establishing a pattern of leadership in the home, all kinds of wrong things flow from this. https://t.co/iWB1ySMcbN

Genesis 3:16 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2024-02-05

@pauldirks @SpeechWrx @NancyRPearcey However, this seems to be an argument from

@pauldirks @SpeechWrx @NancyRPearcey However, this seems to be an argument from what you think is the reason for increased deceivability when Genesis 3 and Paul's statements in 1 Tim 2:13-14 don't say

1 Tim 2:13-14 debate

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-12-14

@sympatheticNPC Here’s the result of debating with GPT just now: In the context of Genesis 3:17, the phrase "listened to the voice of his wife" indeed presents a nuanced situation. Since the text does not record a direct verbal exchange between Eve ...

@sympatheticNPC Here’s the result of debating with GPT just now: In the context of Genesis 3:17, the phrase "listened to the voice of his wife" indeed presents a nuanced situation. Since the text doe

Genesis 3:17 commentary

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-11-05

@SadieMills19 @The_Wry_Griot @smashbaals Regarding the part from the commentary you provided regarding the law reference. Genesis 3:16 is not a commandment ("shall rule" is not in the imperative), it was spoken to the woman (so God wasn't giving Ada...

@SadieMills19 @The_Wry_Griot @smashbaals Regarding the part from the commentary you provided regarding the law reference. Genesis 3:16 is not a commandment ("shall rule" is not in the imperative), it

Genesis 3:16 general

Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-09-06

@godlywomanhood That’s not true. 1 Tim 2:11-15 is referring to a specific deceived woman teaching in the church at Ephesus. Her husband is not deceived and saying nothing—and so this couple is just like the prototypes in Genesis 3. Paul is deali...

@godlywomanhood That’s not true. 1 Tim 2:11-15 is referring to a specific deceived woman teaching in the church at Ephesus. Her husband is not deceived and saying nothing—and so this couple is just

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-08-13

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 God uses the term curse multiple times in Genes

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 God uses the term curse multiple times in Genesis 3. Does God not know how to say “cursed are you Eve?” He doesn’t do it.

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Scripture Commentary tweet 2023-06-16

@m_a_nilles @southernpresby @5pointsMckinley @AnnaGraceWood You do realize there is no marriage or giving in marriage in the next age, right? It is time for women to mature and take their place of shared responsibility to prepare them for the next a...

@m_a_nilles @southernpresby @5pointsMckinley @AnnaGraceWood You do realize there is no marriage or giving in marriage in the next age, right? It is time for women to mature and take their place of sh

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Scripture Commentary debate point

We have been looking at Genesis 3 and the fall of man. In this post I want to concentrate on Genesis 3:22-24 to see what we can understand from God’s words that result in God’s actions and why God judges differently between the man and the woman by bringing sin into the world only through the man

[general] From: The Sin Of The Man

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Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 2:11-15

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 2:11-15 specific woman,deception,authenteo,grammar,perfect tense,future tense,anaphoric,egalitarian,ephesus,teknogonia,singular plural,historical perfect,verbal aspect,paul as pattern

Theology verse entry

1 Timothy 1:13-16

Sections: cross_references, exegesis, greek_analysis

1 Timothy 1:13-16 mercy,ignorance,pattern,hybristEs,paul,blasphemer,persecutor,violent aggressor,deception,egalitarian,restoration

Theology verse entry

Genesis 2:15-20

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 2:15-20 garden,guard,ezer,helper,creation order,egalitarian,woman,ezer kenegdo,naming animals,no counterpart,strength

Theology verse entry

Hosea 6:7

Sections: exegesis

Hosea 6:7 Adam,treachery,treason,covenant,faithless,egalitarian

Theology verse entry

Genesis 3:14-19

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 3:14-19 fall,curse,consequences,serpent,Eve,Adam,pain,thorns,death,not prescriptive,protoevangelium,seed of the woman,Messiah,teknogonia,desire,rule,teshuqah,mashal,egalitarian,complementarian,patriarchy

Theology verse entry

Genesis 2:7

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 2:7 dust,adam,formation,origin,nephesh

Theology verse entry

Genesis 3:1-7

Sections: cross_references, debate_points, exegesis, greek_analysis

Genesis 3:1-7 temptation,fall,serpent,deception,sin,silence of adam

Theology verse entry

Malachi 1:2-3

Sections: exegesis

Malachi 1:2-3 Esau,Jacob,election,not loved,Messianic lineage,soteriology,Calvinism,provisionism

Theology greek term

τεκνογονία (teknogonia)

the childbearing

greek

Theology greek term

ὑποτύπωσις (hupotyposis)

pattern, prototype, example, outline

greek

Theology greek term

ἡ (anaphoric) (he (anaphoric))

the (anaphoric article — pointing back to a previously introduced noun)

@MikeWingerii @Crystalisives @CherylSchatz @ryancduff @will_servant @CharmyRosewolf @Ichthusproject @bkr8un @pastherandie @JollyStine @jdpritchett Just looking at Rhaven's summary: "After he said everything listed in Genesis 3 was the curse pronounc...

@JoshBuice @William_E_Wolfe When you eisegete Genesis 3:16 as God establishing a

@pauldirks @SpeechWrx @NancyRPearcey However, this seems to be an argument from

@sympatheticNPC Here’s the result of debating with GPT just now: In the context of Genesis 3:17, the phrase "listened to the voice of his wife" indeed presents a nuanced situation. Since the text does not record a direct verbal exchange between Eve ...

@SadieMills19 @The_Wry_Griot @smashbaals Regarding the part from the commentary you provided regarding the law reference. Genesis 3:16 is not a commandment ("shall rule" is not in the imperative), it was spoken to the woman (so God wasn't giving Ada...

@godlywomanhood That’s not true. 1 Tim 2:11-15 is referring to a specific deceived woman teaching in the church at Ephesus. Her husband is not deceived and saying nothing—and so this couple is just like the prototypes in Genesis 3. Paul is deali...

@IssacharsNexus @JohnMoo26668690 God uses the term curse multiple times in Genes

@m_a_nilles @southernpresby @5pointsMckinley @AnnaGraceWood You do realize there is no marriage or giving in marriage in the next age, right? It is time for women to mature and take their place of shared responsibility to prepare them for the next a...

1 Timothy 2:11-15

1 Timothy 1:13-16

Genesis 2:15-20

Hosea 6:7

Genesis 3:14-19

Genesis 2:7

Genesis 3:1-7

Malachi 1:2-3

τεκνογονία (teknogonia)

ὑποτύπωσις (hupotyposis)

ἡ (anaphoric) (he (anaphoric))

The general complementarian approach sees Genesis 2 showing husband's leadership role, confirmed in Genesis 3; the egalitarian approach says authority only appears in Genesis 3 as part of the curse.

Three-section outline: Genesis 1 (foundational, little disagreement), Genesis 2 (longest section, most debated), and Genesis 3 (the fall and the curse).

Schreiner's point 4: Adam exercised leadership by naming Eve -- first as 'woman' (isha) in Genesis 2:23, then as 'Eve' in Genesis 3:20.

Mike rejects the egalitarian view (e.g., Craig Keener) that subordination only appears in Genesis 3 as part of the curse; he sees a 'godly, tensionless leadership' for Adam in Genesis 2 as part of God's good creation.

Transition to Genesis 3: key observations to watch for -- Satan tempts Eve first, Adam's accountability differs from Eve's, God approaches Adam first, and the curses are different.

Reading of Genesis 3:1-20 covering the serpent's temptation, the fall, God confronting Adam first, the curses on serpent/woman/man, and the proto-evangelium.

Schreiner's point 6: God approached Adam first after the sin (Gen 3:9) even though Eve sinned first, implying greater responsibility -- Payne counters with a chiastic structure argument.

Mike's critique of Payne's chiasm: it's overly complex (A-B-C-D-E-F-E-D-C-B-A), doesn't feel natural, and even if valid, doesn't negate the authority implications.

Genesis 3:16 -- the ultimate debated passage: 'your desire shall be for/contrary to your husband, and he shall rule over you' -- translation differences examined.

Linda Belleville's interpretation #1: Eve's desire is for sexual intimacy, and the husband's 'rule' means sexual demands on the wife.

Mike's conclusion on Gen 3:16: Eve's desire is to rule/control her husband, but the husband will rule over her -- this is NOT a healthy or ideal situation; it's a description of the fall's consequences.

Mike's key rebuttal: the egalitarian 'curse reversal' argument depends entirely on Genesis 2 having NO authority differences -- but Genesis 2 clearly does, so the argument fails.

Analogy: the curse made farming harder (thorns/thistles) but farming isn't bad; similarly, the curse made submission harder (conflict) but submission/authority isn't bad.

Ephesians 5 as the solution to the curse: self-sacrificial love from husband, voluntary submission from wife, both acting in service to God.

Full summary of Genesis 1-3: Genesis 1 = equal image/dominion; Genesis 2 = different roles with husband's limited leadership; Genesis 3 = the fall makes these roles much harder and introduces abuse.

Summary of video 2: Genesis 1-3 establishes husband's leadership in relation to his wife, but not men over women generally.

Genesis 3 recap: the curse does not initiate role distinctions; it brings difficulty into pre-existing ones.

Greek katakalupto: never used for hair in ancient Greek, always refers to cloth covering

Specific examples of bad egalitarian arguments

Genesis 3: Marriage roles affirmed with increased difficulty post-fall, not introduced

Eve's deception (1 Tim 2:14): does NOT mean women are more easily deceived

View 2: Women saved spiritually in spite of the pain of childbirth

View 5: Saved through the Messiah — the childbearing refers to Christ

Genesis 2-3 is already in Paul's mind, making Genesis 3:15 the natural next reference

The definite article before 'childbearing' as soft evidence for the Messianic view

Schreiner's objection 1: the Messianic view requires seeing 'she' as Mary

Best objection to the Messianic view: teknogonia is an odd word choice for the Messiah

Summary of positive evidence for the Messianic view

Paul may have used shorthand with Timothy based on shared knowledge

Conclusion 13: Based on creation and fall, applies to all churches today

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