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Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Matthew 6:10 ('on earth as it is in heaven') is the central practical scripture of Bethel's theology — they interpret it as God manifesting heaven's conditions on earth right now

Mike identifies and challenges Bethel's key proof text for their present-kingdom expectations

Matthew 6:10 Bill Johnson Matthew 6:10 kingdom of God
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Mike opens by claiming Joseph Smith perpetrated a fraud that undermines Mormonism's foundations

Introduction to the livestream topic

Mormonism Joseph Smith fraud
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Overview of Mormonism's scale and the testability question

Setting up the apologetic challenge

Mormonism apologetics LDS Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Introduction to the Book of Abraham as the key test case for Mormonism

Setting up the argument

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Pearl of Great Price
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Joseph Smith claims divine gifts as seer and translator; acquires Egyptian mummies and papyrus scrolls in Kirtland, Ohio

Historical background of the Book of Abraham

Abraham Joseph Smith 1835
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The Rosetta Stone had only recently been found; Egyptology was nascent in 1835 — giving Smith apparent cover

Historical context for why Smith's claims were initially plausible

Joseph Smith 1835 Rosetta Stone
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Joseph Smith purchases the mummies and scrolls for $2,400; claims one scroll was written by Abraham's own hand

The acquisition and initial claims about the papyri

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Smith's diary entries document ongoing 'translation' work on Egyptian alphabet and grammar in late 1835

Documentary evidence from Smith's own journals

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham 1835
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS Church president's diary corroborates that Smith translated Abraham's own handwriting using the Urim and Thummim

Secondary LDS historical witness to Smith's translation claims

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The LDS Church officially canonized the Book of Abraham as translated from the papyrus by Joseph Smith

The canonical status of the Book of Abraham in LDS theology

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The original papyri were thought lost in the Great Chicago Fire; facsimile copies in Smith's own hand survive

The preservation history of the papyri evidence

Joseph Smith Pearl of Great Price Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Smith's interpretation of the facsimile images: he identifies figures as the angel of the Lord, Abraham, and names Egyptian gods

Smith's specific claims about the facsimile imagery

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Early Egyptologist critics were dismissed because the original papyri could not be examined

How the LDS Church handled early scholarly criticism

Joseph Smith LDS Church Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The original papyri were discovered in 1966–1967 at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and given to BYU

The rediscovery of the Joseph Smith Papyri

LDS Church papyrus Metropolitan Museum of Art
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS professor at BYU commented that the rediscovery of the papyri was 'a far more' significant test of LDS claims

Internal LDS academic recognition of the significance of the papyri rediscovery

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Brigham Young University
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Unlike the Book of Mormon (golden plates taken away), the Book of Abraham papyri CAN be tested — this is unique

The Book of Abraham as a uniquely testable LDS truth claim

translation comparison Joseph Smith testability of religious claims
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The papyri date to the 2nd century BC — approximately 2,000 years after Abraham's time

Core finding from the Egyptological examination of the recovered papyri

Abraham Book of Abraham Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The papyri are pagan Egyptian funerary texts — specifically the 'Book of Breathings' — belonging to a man named Hor

What Egyptologists actually found the papyri to contain

Book of Abraham Joseph Smith Papyri Book of Breathings
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Smith misidentified Egyptian deities; the figures at the bottom are canopic jars, not gods with the names Smith assigned

Specific errors in Smith's interpretation of the facsimile

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham facsimiles funerary texts
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The Book of Abraham has no connection to Abraham in time, geography, subject matter, or religion

Summary of what the papyri actually represent

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Dr. James Henry Breasted (University of Chicago / Haskell Oriental Museum) calls Smith's interpretations wrong and shows he was unacquainted with basic Egyptian facts

Expert scholarly critique of the Book of Abraham facsimiles

James Henry Breasted Joseph Smith Pearl of Great Price Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Dr. Arthur C. Mace (Metropolitan Museum of Art / University of Pennsylvania) says it is 'hardly necessary to say' Smith's work is 'a pure' fabrication

Expert scholarly critique from an Egyptologist at the Metropolitan Museum of Art

Joseph Smith Egyptology Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Rev. Prof. C.A. Briggs and a professor from University of Berlin identify the images as standard Book of the Dead scenes easily recognizable to any trained Egyptologist

Additional expert scholarly critique

Joseph Smith Egyptology Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

University of Munich Egyptologist calls Smith's work a probable forgery and says the text is not older than the Greek period

Additional expert scholarly critique from Munich

Joseph Smith Egyptology Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The LDS Church's own official article on lds.org admits the characters on the papyri do not match the Book of Abraham text

The LDS Church's own admission in its official online materials

translation comparison LDS Church Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS Church's official position: understand the Book of Abraham through 'careful study of its teachings and by the witness of the Holy Spirit'

The LDS Church's final response to the historical and Egyptological evidence

Holy Spirit apologetics LDS Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Personal testimony: Mike was raised as a Mormon; this evidence would have been world-shattering to him

Mike's personal background and emotional investment in the argument

Mike Winger Mormonism personal testimony
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Dr. Stephen E. Thompson (PhD in Egyptology) confirms the papyri were not written by Abraham's own hand

Final scholarly citation on the Book of Abraham papyri

Abraham Book of Abraham Pearl of Great Price
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Central apologetic argument: if Smith lied about one thing as a prophet, he is a false prophet — and the evidence proves he lied

The logical conclusion of the Book of Abraham argument

Mormonism prophetic authority false prophet
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Deuteronomy 18: the test for a false prophet — a prophet who speaks in God's name what God has not commanded shall die

Scriptural framework for evaluating false prophecy

Deuteronomy 18:20 Deuteronomy false prophet Joseph Smith Deuteronomy 18:20
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist claim that Smith received direct revelation (not translation) is refuted by his own diary

Responding to a viewer question about the LDS apologetic counter-argument

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Joseph Smith diary
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Mike urges Mormons in positions of authority to speak out about the fraud even if it costs them relationships and community

Pastoral/ethical challenge to Mormons who know the truth

Mormonism prophetic accountability LDS Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Canonical closure argument: the New Testament closes the canon — there is no room for a new book of scripture

Theological argument against the LDS claim to new scripture

Jeremiah 31 Mormonism Islam Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The Joseph Smith Papers project published the Egyptian Grammar and Alphabet documents, exposing them to scholarly scrutiny

Recent LDS document releases and their apologetic implications

Joseph Smith LDS Church Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #1: the 'Short Scroll Theory' — the recovered fragments are only part of a longer scroll

Review of LDS apologetic responses to the papyri problem

Book of Abraham Great Chicago Fire Metropolitan Museum of Art
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Refutation of Short Scroll Theory: the facsimile images themselves, which Smith specifically interpreted, ARE on the surviving fragments

Mike's counter to the Short Scroll Theory

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham facsimiles Joseph Smith Papyri
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #2: the 'Long Scroll Theory' — a different, longer, lost scroll within the same collection contained the real Book of Abraham source

Second main LDS apologetic response

Book of Abraham Great Chicago Fire Joseph Smith Papyri
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #3: Smith did not 'translate' in the conventional sense — he was receiving spiritual impressions triggered by the images

Third main LDS apologetic counter-argument

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham inspired translation
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Refutation of the 'spiritual impression' translation argument: Smith's own documents say it was written by Abraham's own hand — not a spiritual trigger

Mike's counter to the spiritual impression theory

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #4: we don't know enough about Egyptology yet — future discoveries might vindicate Smith

Fourth main LDS apologetic response

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Argument from the Mormon authority hierarchy: when the Bible, LDS standard works, and the Holy Spirit contradict each other, which do Mormons follow?

Epistemological challenge to Mormon missionaries

Holy Spirit LDS Church standard works
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Strategy for engaging Mormons: move them from feeling-based certainty to evidence-based testing

Practical apologetic methodology for talking to Mormons

Mormonism apologetics subjective religious experience
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Upcoming video topic: responding to common atheist arguments against God

Preview of future content

Mike Winger apologetics atheism
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Upcoming video topic: exposing false teaching within charismatic Christianity — abuse of the spiritual gifts framework

Preview of future content on charismatic abuse

Mike Winger spiritual gifts apologetics
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-21

The Watchtower's three main biblical proof texts for the blood ban are Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:13-14, and Acts 15:29.

Mike transitions from historical/medical arguments to direct biblical exegesis of the passages the Watchtower uses.

Genesis 9:4 Leviticus 17:13-14 Acts 15:29 Watchtower Genesis 9:4 Leviticus 17:13-14
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-21

Leviticus 17:13-14 is specifically Levitical (Mosaic) law given to Israel, and even within that law the Watchtower selectively ignores the parallel ban on eating fat (Leviticus 3:17).

Mike applies the same hermeneutical critique to the second Watchtower proof text.

Leviticus 17:13-14 Leviticus 3:17 Leviticus 17:13-14 Leviticus 3:17 Mosaic law applicability
Mike Winger idea 2018-04-18

David Mead's second Scripture abuse: Revelation 6:12-17 (Sixth Seal) as 'absolute proof' of Planet X/Nibiru

Mead explicitly claims that Revelation 6 is 'absolute proof of the existence of Planet X.' Mike reads Mead's direct quote and then the passage itself.

Revelation 6:12-17 hermeneutics false prophecy David Mead
Mike Winger idea 2018-04-18

Q&A: How to minister to young adults involved in numerology and end-times speculation

Question from Evan Adamson, a young adults leader.

apologetics numerology pastoral advice
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Joseph Smith misuses a Jesus quote to argue that the Father 'laid down his body' just as Jesus did — Mike identifies this as 'bad Bible study.'

Mike critiques Smith's exegetical method in the King Follett Sermon, where Smith splices two separate Jesus quotes to derive the doctrine of the Father's mortality.

hermeneutics proof-texting Joseph Smith
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Using scripture against scripture is bad methodology — it appears to create contradictions and 'the atheist wins'

Mike's methodological critique of how both sides typically argue

hermeneutics proof-texting apologetics