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Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Smith's interpretation of the facsimile images: he identifies figures as the angel of the Lord, Abraham, and names Egyptian gods

Smith's specific claims about the facsimile imagery

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Early Egyptologist critics were dismissed because the original papyri could not be examined

How the LDS Church handled early scholarly criticism

Joseph Smith LDS Church Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The original papyri were discovered in 1966–1967 at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and given to BYU

The rediscovery of the Joseph Smith Papyri

LDS Church papyrus Metropolitan Museum of Art
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS professor at BYU commented that the rediscovery of the papyri was 'a far more' significant test of LDS claims

Internal LDS academic recognition of the significance of the papyri rediscovery

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Brigham Young University
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Unlike the Book of Mormon (golden plates taken away), the Book of Abraham papyri CAN be tested — this is unique

The Book of Abraham as a uniquely testable LDS truth claim

translation comparison Joseph Smith testability of religious claims
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The papyri date to the 2nd century BC — approximately 2,000 years after Abraham's time

Core finding from the Egyptological examination of the recovered papyri

Abraham Book of Abraham Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The papyri are pagan Egyptian funerary texts — specifically the 'Book of Breathings' — belonging to a man named Hor

What Egyptologists actually found the papyri to contain

Book of Abraham Joseph Smith Papyri Book of Breathings
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Smith misidentified Egyptian deities; the figures at the bottom are canopic jars, not gods with the names Smith assigned

Specific errors in Smith's interpretation of the facsimile

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham facsimiles funerary texts
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The Book of Abraham has no connection to Abraham in time, geography, subject matter, or religion

Summary of what the papyri actually represent

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Dr. James Henry Breasted (University of Chicago / Haskell Oriental Museum) calls Smith's interpretations wrong and shows he was unacquainted with basic Egyptian facts

Expert scholarly critique of the Book of Abraham facsimiles

James Henry Breasted Joseph Smith Pearl of Great Price Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Dr. Arthur C. Mace (Metropolitan Museum of Art / University of Pennsylvania) says it is 'hardly necessary to say' Smith's work is 'a pure' fabrication

Expert scholarly critique from an Egyptologist at the Metropolitan Museum of Art

Joseph Smith Egyptology Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Rev. Prof. C.A. Briggs and a professor from University of Berlin identify the images as standard Book of the Dead scenes easily recognizable to any trained Egyptologist

Additional expert scholarly critique

Joseph Smith Egyptology Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

University of Munich Egyptologist calls Smith's work a probable forgery and says the text is not older than the Greek period

Additional expert scholarly critique from Munich

Joseph Smith Egyptology Book of Abraham facsimiles
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The LDS Church's own official article on lds.org admits the characters on the papyri do not match the Book of Abraham text

The LDS Church's own admission in its official online materials

translation comparison LDS Church Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS Church's official position: understand the Book of Abraham through 'careful study of its teachings and by the witness of the Holy Spirit'

The LDS Church's final response to the historical and Egyptological evidence

Holy Spirit apologetics LDS Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Dr. Stephen E. Thompson (PhD in Egyptology) confirms the papyri were not written by Abraham's own hand

Final scholarly citation on the Book of Abraham papyri

Abraham Book of Abraham Pearl of Great Price
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Central apologetic argument: if Smith lied about one thing as a prophet, he is a false prophet — and the evidence proves he lied

The logical conclusion of the Book of Abraham argument

Mormonism prophetic authority false prophet
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist claim that Smith received direct revelation (not translation) is refuted by his own diary

Responding to a viewer question about the LDS apologetic counter-argument

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Joseph Smith diary
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Canonical closure argument: the New Testament closes the canon — there is no room for a new book of scripture

Theological argument against the LDS claim to new scripture

Jeremiah 31 Mormonism Islam Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

The Joseph Smith Papers project published the Egyptian Grammar and Alphabet documents, exposing them to scholarly scrutiny

Recent LDS document releases and their apologetic implications

Joseph Smith LDS Church Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #1: the 'Short Scroll Theory' — the recovered fragments are only part of a longer scroll

Review of LDS apologetic responses to the papyri problem

Book of Abraham Great Chicago Fire Metropolitan Museum of Art
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Refutation of Short Scroll Theory: the facsimile images themselves, which Smith specifically interpreted, ARE on the surviving fragments

Mike's counter to the Short Scroll Theory

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham facsimiles Joseph Smith Papyri
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #2: the 'Long Scroll Theory' — a different, longer, lost scroll within the same collection contained the real Book of Abraham source

Second main LDS apologetic response

Book of Abraham Great Chicago Fire Joseph Smith Papyri
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #3: Smith did not 'translate' in the conventional sense — he was receiving spiritual impressions triggered by the images

Third main LDS apologetic counter-argument

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham inspired translation
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Refutation of the 'spiritual impression' translation argument: Smith's own documents say it was written by Abraham's own hand — not a spiritual trigger

Mike's counter to the spiritual impression theory

Abraham Joseph Smith Book of Abraham
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

LDS apologist argument #4: we don't know enough about Egyptology yet — future discoveries might vindicate Smith

Fourth main LDS apologetic response

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Egyptology
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-31

Argument from the Mormon authority hierarchy: when the Bible, LDS standard works, and the Holy Spirit contradict each other, which do Mormons follow?

Epistemological challenge to Mormon missionaries

Holy Spirit LDS Church standard works
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-07

Q&A: Mark 7:32-34 and Jesus spitting/making mud — Mike lacks a definitive interpretation but shares a missionary anecdote about a tribe that attributed magical powers to shamans' spit, making Jesus' spitting highly significant for them.

Viewer question from TruthandGrace about the theological significance of Jesus using spit in healing.

Mark 7:32-34 John 9 hermeneutics Mark 7:32-34 John 9
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Book of Abraham (Pearl of Great Price), chapter 4: creation is described as 'the gods' organizing matter — explicitly polytheistic and not ex nihilo.

Mike reads from official Mormon scripture to demonstrate the polytheistic view of creation embedded in LDS canonical texts.

Joseph Smith Book of Abraham Pearl of Great Price
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Mormon view: matter is eternal; God only organized pre-existing matter. The Book of Abraham uses 'organized' rather than 'created.'

The Mormon doctrine of creation directly contradicts ex nihilo — in LDS theology, God is not the source of matter itself.

Book of Abraham creation by organization ex nihilo creation
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-24

Strategy for reaching Mormons: question the reliability of the 'burning in the bosom' as a source of truth, then lead them toward evidence-based epistemology.

Mike describes his personal approach to engaging Mormons who are emotionally committed to their 'testimony.'

Joseph Smith evidence-based faith epistemology
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Protestant counter using Romans 3:28 and Romans 4 — Abraham justified by faith, not works

Presenting the Protestant response to James 2:24

Romans 3:28 Romans 4 justification by faith Abraham Romans 3:28
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Catholic counter using James 2:21 — Abraham justified by works when he offered Isaac

Continuing the back-and-forth debate structure

James 2:21 Abraham Isaac faith vs. works
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Full reading of James 2:14-26

Setting the passage before beginning verse-by-verse analysis

James 2:24 James 2:21 James 2:14-26 Abraham James 2:24 James 2:21
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

James 2:21 — 'justified by works when he offered Isaac' uses 'justified' in the vindication sense, not the salvific sense

Interpreting the justification of Abraham in James 2:21

James 2:21 Abraham Isaac James 2:21
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Genesis 15:6 — Abraham's salvific justification happened decades before the Isaac incident

Key chronological argument proving James's use of 'justified' is not salvific

Genesis 15:6 Abraham salvation by faith imputed righteousness
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Genesis 22:12 — 'Now I know that you fear God' — the Isaac incident is God/the observer confirming Abraham's faith is real

What happened at the Isaac offering and its theological significance

Genesis 22:12 Abraham Isaac vindication
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

James 2:22-23 — faith was active with works; faith was completed by works; Genesis 15:6 fulfilled in the Isaac offering

Reading James 2:22-23 with the Genesis timeline in mind

Genesis 15:6 James 2:22-23 Abraham demonstration of faith Genesis 15:6
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Application: real faith will eventually bear fruit/works, even if years later (as with Abraham)

Practical application of the Abraham timeline

Genesis 15 Genesis 22 Abraham Genesis 15 Genesis 22
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

James 2:25 — Rahab the prostitute also 'justified by works' in the same sense as Abraham — demonstrating real faith through action

Verse-by-verse analysis of James 2:25

James 2:25 Rahab vindication demonstration of faith
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Q&A: Does faith necessarily produce works, or are works only the way the world sees faith? James 2 is about justification in the eyes of men, not God

Viewer question about the relationship between faith and works

James 2 James 2 demonstration of faith works as evidence of faith
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Q&A: Romans 4:16 — is it about saving faith? Is Abraham a prototype for saving faith?

Viewer asks Mike's view on Romans 4:16

Romans 4:16 justification by faith Abraham saving faith
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-14

Abraham as the paradigmatic prototype of saving faith in Romans 4 and Galatians — changes how you read both books

Elaboration on Abraham's role as prototype

Romans 4 Galatians justification by faith Abraham Romans 4
Mike Winger idea 2018-03-28

Barker won't commit to a specific natural explanation because none can withstand scrutiny

Analysis of Barker's second objection — 'possible natural explanations'

resurrection Dan Barker alternate theories
Mike Winger idea 2018-04-11

Reason 4 refuted: The psychological power of contradiction lists outweighs their actual evidential force; contradictions would not disprove inspiration anyway

The skeptic links to the Skeptic's Annotated Bible list of hundreds of alleged biblical contradictions.

James 2 James 2 inspiration tests biblical contradictions
Mike Winger idea 2018-09-05

God can speak through creation, but creation communicates general attributes (glory, power) not specific instruction — the written word provides far greater specificity.

Viewer question about whether God speaks through nature/creation outside the Bible.

Psalm 19 Romans 1 general revelation Scripture special revelation
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Sye's ultimate evidential claim: everything proves God's existence because you cannot make sense of evidence itself without God — he is 'the ultimate evidentialist'

Sye's reframing of himself as a supreme evidentialist

Galatians 3:8 John the Baptist presuppositional apologetics evidence as God-dependent Galatians 3:8
Mike Winger idea 2018-08-16

Islam is internally self-contradictory: it claims to derive from the Bible but must assert the Bible was corrupted whenever it disagrees with Islamic teaching

Audience question about Islam; Sye's presuppositional critique of Islam

Genesis 22 Islam Genesis 22 typology
Mike Winger idea 2018-10-24

Q&A: Playing magical characters in video games is a separate question from Halloween and depends on conscience

Viewer asks whether abstaining from Halloween would be inconsistent with playing a mage or shaman in a video game

Conscience Video games Magic
Mike Winger idea 2018-11-07

Surah 61:6 has Muhammad claim that Jesus predicted a messenger named 'Ahmad' (part of Muhammad's own name, which was not his birth name), placing a self-serving prophecy on Jesus' lips with no ancient corroboration. Winger presents this as an example of fabricated validation.

false prophecy self-authentication Quran