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Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Kroeger's selective Chrysostom quote: she omits sentences before, after, and within the passage

Mike examines how Kroeger presents Chrysostom's words.

John Chrysostom John Chrysostom Kathleen Kroeger Wayne Grudem
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Full Chrysostom quote: 'thou art the head of the woman... let the head regulate the rest of the body' — Chrysostom strongly supports headship as authority

Mike reads the full Chrysostom passage that Kroeger selectively quoted.

John Chrysostom John Chrysostom head commands the body steersman metaphor
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Chrysostom: 'let us rule the women... not by seeking greater honor but by their being more benefited by us'

Mike reads the conclusion of Chrysostom's passage.

John Chrysostom complementarianism servant leadership John Chrysostom
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-28

Both egalitarians and complementarians can learn from surveying OT women in leadership; complementarians tend to minimize these women.

Setting up the survey of OT examples

John Piper John Piper Deborah complementarianism
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-28

Complementarians Piper and Grudem claim Miriam 'focused her ministry on the women of Israel' — Mike says this conclusion goes too far from limited data.

Critiquing the complementarian handling of Miriam

John Piper Exodus 15:20-21 John Piper Miriam Wayne Grudem
Mike Winger idea 2022-11-11

Glory as honor connects the entire passage: headship chain produces honor chain

Mike shows how the honor interpretation unifies the passage.

honor chain headship chain Gospel of John
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Paul uses 'the law' to refer to all of scripture, not just the Pentateuch

Mike argues that 'law' in Paul's usage can mean the Old Testament generally, citing 1 Corinthians 14:21.

1 Corinthians 14:21 Isaiah 28:11-12 John 12:34 1 Corinthians 14:21 Isaiah 28:11-12 John 12:34
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Jesus also uses 'law' to refer to Psalms, not just the Pentateuch

Mike provides additional evidence that 'the law' was used broadly in the NT.

John 15:25 Psalm 35:19 Psalm 69:4 law as scripture John 15:25 Psalm 35:19
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Judging Prophecy Hinge 1: Was testing prophecy a real practice in the early church?

Mike establishes that testing/judging prophecy was indeed a regular church practice.

1 John 4:1 1 Corinthians 12:10 1 John 4:1 testing prophecy 1 Corinthians 12:10
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

The doctrinal/theological nature of testing prophecy from 1 John 4:1-3

Mike shows that testing prophecy involved theological evaluation.

1 John 4:1-3 Mormonism 1 John 4:1-3 Christology test
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Elders have a natural role in judging prophecy due to their doctrinal guardianship function

Mike builds the case that elders must have been prominent in testing prophecy.

eldership doctrinal testing church governance
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Jesus' use of Sabbath examples to push back against over-application

Mike draws a parallel between Jesus pushing back on Pharisees' Sabbath rules and gender role over-application.

John 7:23 Matthew 12 John 7:23 Matthew 12 Sabbath healing
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Definition of pastor: a shepherding/caretaking leadership term synonymous with elder

Mike defines how he uses the word 'pastor' based on scripture.

Ephesians 4:11 1 Peter 2:25 Hebrews 13:20 Ephesians 4:11 1 Peter 2:25 Hebrews 13:20
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Women evangelizing men: easy case — the woman at the well, women at the resurrection

Mike addresses women doing evangelism toward men.

John 4:28-30 evangelism John 4:28-30 woman at the well
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

1 Corinthians 14:29-35 — women silent in judging prophecy, not silent in general

Mike interprets the controversial silence passage.

1 Corinthians 11 John MacArthur 1 Corinthians 14:29-35 1 Corinthians 11 John MacArthur judgment of prophecy
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Women do NOT need to submit to all men — only their husbands

Mike rejects the idea of general female submission to all males.

John Piper John Piper Deborah submission to all men
Mike Winger idea 2023-11-22

Conclusion 9: John Piper's over-extension of the restriction is wrong

Mike critiques Piper's extreme application where even giving a man directions requires special deference.

John Piper over-application John Piper Pharisaism
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

JW claim: Jesus resurrected as spirit, not bodily

Foundation of the JW invisible return theology

1 Corinthians 15:45 1 Peter 3:18 John 14:19 1 Corinthians 15:45 1 Peter 3:18 John 14:19
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

2 John 1:7 misapplied: Gnostic/Docetic context

JW distortion of an anti-Gnostic passage

2 John 1:7 Incarnation 2 John 1:7 Gnosticism
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

Proof text #1: John 2:19-21 and the destroyed temple

Evidence for bodily continuity across resurrection

John 2:19-21 John 2:19-21 Temple metaphor Bodily continuity
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

Proof text #4: John 20:24-28 and Thomas's demand

Continuity of crucifixion marks in resurrection body

John 20:24-28 John 20:24-28 Nail prints Crucifixion marks
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Introduction: purpose is biblical analysis of Bill Johnson, Kris Vallotton, and the broader Bethel movement

Opening segment establishing scope and methodology of the livestream

Bill Johnson Kris Vallotton Bethel Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Methodology: neither defending nor attacking Bethel — the goal is clarity by taking them at their word

Mike distinguishes his approach from two common failure modes in critiquing Bethel

Bethel Church discernment methodology hermeneutics
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Avoiding guilt by association: Bill Johnson and Benny Hinn sharing a stage does not make them the same

Mike discusses how to be fair when evaluating someone who has associated with controversial figures

Bill Johnson discernment methodology Benny Hinn
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Mike's charitable assessment: he believes Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton are probably saved, and that real miracles and healings do come from the movement

Mike establishes a baseline of charitable Christian evaluation before critique

Bill Johnson Kris Vallotton salvation
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson's background: pastor in Weaverville, then moved to Bethel Redding in 1996 with revival as his non-negotiable condition

Historical background on how the Bethel movement began

church history Bill Johnson Bethel Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bethel as the center of a worldwide movement: apostolic network, Jesus Culture, and BSSM

Mike establishes the scope and infrastructure of the Bethel movement globally

revival Bethel Apostolic Network Jesus Culture
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

BSSM's goal: create cultural seeds — students trained to go back and transform other churches

Mike explains the deliberate strategy behind the school's design

Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry church culture Anaheim Vineyard
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

House of Generals: a planned museum of revival artifacts and relics for prayer and 'receiving anointing'

Mike describes a specific Bethel infrastructure project and its theological implications

Bill Johnson charismatic movement House of Generals
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson video quote: Bethel wants to export a duplicable 'revival culture' model, not American culture

Mike plays a direct video quote from Bill Johnson explaining his vision

Bill Johnson revival Jesus Culture
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson considers himself an apostle, though he never explicitly claims the title — the structure and vibe of Bethel communicates it implicitly

Mike examines the apostolic self-understanding of Bill Johnson

Bill Johnson Kris Vallotton apostle
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson misinterprets Acts 2:42 — 'the Apostles' teaching' — to mean fresh contemporary apostolic revelation, not the New Testament

Mike analyzes a specific Bill Johnson teaching on Acts 2:42 and its theological implications

Acts 2:42 Bill Johnson hermeneutics Acts 2:42
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bethel's gospel is mostly intact but distorted by the addition of physical healing as a central gospel promise

Mike assesses the core gospel content at Bethel

Bill Johnson gospel healing
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson quotes Galatians 1 anathema to condemn anyone who teaches that sickness can be God's will — including Paul's thorn in the flesh interpretations

Mike plays and analyzes a provocative Bill Johnson video on the anathema of Galatians 1

Galatians 1:8-9 2 Corinthians 12:7-9 Bill Johnson Galatians 1:8-9 2 Corinthians 12:7-9
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

The central theological pillar of Bethel: 'Jesus is perfect theology' — everything in Scripture must be filtered through Jesus and inferior revelations discarded

Mike identifies the one foundational doctrinal distinctive driving all of Bethel's theology

Bill Johnson hermeneutics christocentrism
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson: 'It is theologically immoral to allow an Old Testament revelation of God's nature to surpass the manifestation found in Jesus Christ'

Direct quote from Bill Johnson establishing his hermeneutical hierarchy

Bill Johnson hermeneutics christocentrism
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson: 'Jesus is perfect theology' — any revelation about God that contradicts what you see in Jesus must not be allowed to shape your theology; 'what storms did Jesus bless?'

Mike plays a third Johnson video reinforcing the hermeneutical pillar and unpacks its practical implications

Revelation 2:23 Exodus 3 Bill Johnson hermeneutics christocentrism
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Critique of the 'Jesus only' hermeneutic: ignores the whole counsel of God; Scripture must interpret Scripture

Mike articulates his counter-hermeneutic to Bethel's christological filter

hermeneutics whole counsel of God Scripture interprets Scripture
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson's 'superior and inferior truths' teaching: the judgment of God is true but the mercy of God is 'more true'; anything not seen in Jesus is an inferior truth

Mike plays and deconstructs a specific Johnson video on the hierarchy of truths

Psalms 85:10 Bill Johnson hermeneutics superior and inferior truths
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Book of Job handled dismissively by the Bethel movement: Johnson's position is 'Job is the question, Jesus is the answer'

Mike discusses how the movement deals with the theological challenge posed by the book of Job

Bill Johnson hermeneutics healing theology
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Warning against cherry-picking hermeneutics: all false movements take one true thing and exaggerate it to discount other scriptural truths

Mike articulates a general hermeneutical warning

false teaching hermeneutics proof-texting
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson Q&A answer on whether God causes sickness: 'You can't give what you don't have — God doesn't have cancer, so He can't give it'

Mike plays and critiques a specific Q&A response from Bill Johnson

1 Samuel 5:6 Bill Johnson thorn in the flesh healing theology
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Revelation 2:22-23 — Jesus threatens to cast a false teacher into a sick bed and kill her followers: direct scriptural refutation of Johnson's 'God cannot give sickness' claim

Mike cites a key New Testament text to disprove Johnson's theology from within the very Jesus-focused framework Johnson uses

Revelation 2:22-23 Bill Johnson healing theology Revelation 2:22-23
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Examining 'Jesus-only' theology on its own terms: if we take only Jesus' three-and-a-half years, did he teach full present-tense prosperity? Matthew 26:11 — 'The poor you will always have with you'

Mike tests Bethel's Jesus-only hermeneutic against actual teachings of Jesus

Matthew 26:11 Bill Johnson hermeneutics prosperity gospel
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Reductio ad absurdum of 'just copy Jesus': should we have 12 disciples, be itinerant, stay single, eat kosher, visit Jerusalem at Passover?

Mike extends the logical implications of the Jesus-only hermeneutic to show its practical absurdity

hermeneutics whole counsel of God imitatio Christi
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Matthew 6:10 ('on earth as it is in heaven') is the central practical scripture of Bethel's theology — they interpret it as God manifesting heaven's conditions on earth right now

Mike identifies and challenges Bethel's key proof text for their present-kingdom expectations

Matthew 6:10 Bill Johnson Matthew 6:10 kingdom of God
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Revelation 6:16-17 and Revelation 11:15-18 show that the coming of God's kingdom involves wrath and judgment, not just signs and wonders

Mike cites specific Revelation texts to establish what Scripture means by 'the kingdom coming'

Revelation 6:16-17 Revelation 11:15-18 kingdom of God eschatology Revelation 6:16-17
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bethel's standard for 'heaven on earth' is too low: they aim for physical healing while Revelation 21:4 promises no death, sorrow, or pain — which has not yet come

Mike argues that Bethel's version of heaven-on-earth falls short even of its own claim

Revelation 21:4 Kris Vallotton healing theology kingdom of God
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Nabeel Qureshi visited Bethel for healing from stomach cancer and received hundreds of failed prophecies of healing

Mike uses the case of Nabeel Qureshi as a concrete example of the consequences of Bethel's healing theology

Bethel Church healing theology Nabeel Qureshi
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bethel systematically lowers the threshold for confirming healings: vague words of knowledge, mass prayer, and immediate crowd celebration regardless of actual outcome

Mike explains the mechanics of how Bethel creates the appearance of widespread healing

Bill Johnson Bethel Church healing theology