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Mike Winger idea 2022-03-07

For egalitarians these role questions are easy; for complementarians they require nuance. Examples include women theologians like Nancy Pearcey and the debate over women seminary teachers (John Piper opposes it).

Scope of practical questions raised by this debate

John Piper complementarianism Nancy Pearcey John Piper
Mike Winger idea 2022-04-13

Acts 12:12 refutes host-as-leader: Mary mother of Mark hosted a prayer gathering

Mike presents another counter-example.

Acts 12:12 Linda Belleville hosting vs. leading Mary mother of Mark
Mike Winger idea 2022-04-13

Additional arguments against host-as-leader: Timothy/Titus appointing elders, reductio ad absurdum examples

Mike piles on counter-evidence to the host-as-leader claim.

Titus 1 John hosting vs. leading Timothy Titus
Mike Winger idea 2022-04-13

Acts 18:24-26: Priscilla and Aquila teach Apollos theology privately

Mike examines the most significant scene from Priscilla and Aquila's ministry.

Acts 18:24-26 Ephesus Priscilla Aquila
Mike Winger idea 2022-04-13

'Paranoid masculinity': over-regulation of gender roles in complementarian circles

Mike coins a term for a problem he sees in complementarian practice.

John Piper John Piper complementarian overcorrection Pharisaical over-regulation
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-09

Keener's first argument: Paul never elsewhere appeals to 'the apostles' as a group

Mike evaluates and rebuts Keener's first argument.

Romans 16:7 Galatians 2:9 Craig Keener apostolic authority Romans 16:7
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-09

Galatians 2:9 as counterexample to Keener's first argument

Mike argues Paul does appeal to apostles as a group elsewhere.

Galatians 2:9 James John Galatians 2:9 Paul's apostleship James
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-09

Keener's third argument: Greek church fathers and modern scholars agree Junia was an apostle

Mike considers this the weightiest of Keener's three arguments.

Romans 16:7 John Chrysostom Craig Keener Romans 16:7 John Chrysostom
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-09

Counterargument: 'well-known among the apostles' proves too much given their obscurity

Mike offers a significant rebuttal to the highest-sense reading.

Romans 16:7 Galatians 2 Junia Romans 16:7 Andronicus
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-09

Burer responds to Bauckham's specific example critiques and addresses Chrysostom

Mike evaluates Burer's defense against Bauckham's objections.

John Chrysostom John Chrysostom Michael Burer Richard Bauckham
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-09

Mike's rebuttals to Payne: practical solutions and Jesus' counter-cultural behavior

Mike offers multiple objections to Payne's cultural argument.

John 4 Philip Payne woman at the well John 4
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Two key passages used by strong complementarians to deny women speaking publicly: 1 Corinthians 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2

Mike identifies the passages that fuel the opposing view.

1 Timothy 2 1 Corinthians 14:34 John MacArthur 1 Timothy 2 1 Corinthians 14:34 John MacArthur
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

John MacArthur's response: maybe Paul means public places but not congregational worship gatherings

Mike quotes MacArthur's article (from gty.org) about head coverings to show his interpretation.

1 Corinthians 11 John MacArthur 1 Corinthians 11 John MacArthur Grace to You (gty.org)
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

MacArthur's real basis: 1 Corinthians 14:34 (women keep silent) overrides the plain reading of 1 Corinthians 11

Mike identifies that MacArthur's position depends entirely on 1 Corinthians 14:34 controlling the meaning of chapter 11.

1 Corinthians 11 1 Corinthians 14:34 John MacArthur hermeneutics 1 Corinthians 11 1 Corinthians 14:34
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Four reasons why 1 Corinthians 11 must be about Christian worship gatherings, not just public places

Mike gives detailed reasons for rejecting MacArthur's reading.

John MacArthur 1 Corinthians 11:16 John MacArthur 1 Corinthians 11:16 church gathering context
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

MacArthur's conclusion quoted and rejected: 'women may have the gift of prophecy but normally are not to prophesy where men are present'

Mike quotes MacArthur's specific position and says the rule 'seems wrong.'

1 Corinthians 14:34 John MacArthur women prophesying Philip's daughters 1 Corinthians 14:34
Mike Winger idea 2022-05-30

Prophecy is tested; the prophet has no authority over the evaluation of their own prophecy

Mike explains the testing process for prophecy per 1 Corinthians 14:29 and 1 John 4:1.

1 Corinthians 14:29 1 John 4:1 prophecy and authority 1 Corinthians 14:29 1 John 4:1
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Church history argument introduced: Chrysostom supposedly shows kephale doesn't mean authority

Mike introduces the second egalitarian argument — Kathleen Kroeger's use of Chrysostom.

John Chrysostom John Chrysostom church history argument Kathleen Kroeger
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Church history argument: Kathleen Kroeger, founder of Christians for Biblical Equality (CBE)

Mike introduces the church history argument and Kathleen Kroeger's significance.

John Chrysostom John Chrysostom Kathleen Kroeger Christians for Biblical Equality
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Kroeger's selective Chrysostom quote: she omits sentences before, after, and within the passage

Mike examines how Kroeger presents Chrysostom's words.

John Chrysostom John Chrysostom Kathleen Kroeger Wayne Grudem
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Full Chrysostom quote: 'thou art the head of the woman... let the head regulate the rest of the body' — Chrysostom strongly supports headship as authority

Mike reads the full Chrysostom passage that Kroeger selectively quoted.

John Chrysostom John Chrysostom head commands the body steersman metaphor
Mike Winger idea 2022-07-18

Chrysostom: 'let us rule the women... not by seeking greater honor but by their being more benefited by us'

Mike reads the conclusion of Chrysostom's passage.

John Chrysostom complementarianism servant leadership John Chrysostom
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-28

Both egalitarians and complementarians can learn from surveying OT women in leadership; complementarians tend to minimize these women.

Setting up the survey of OT examples

John Piper John Piper Deborah complementarianism
Mike Winger idea 2022-03-28

Complementarians Piper and Grudem claim Miriam 'focused her ministry on the women of Israel' — Mike says this conclusion goes too far from limited data.

Critiquing the complementarian handling of Miriam

John Piper Exodus 15:20-21 John Piper Miriam Wayne Grudem
Mike Winger idea 2022-11-11

Glory as honor connects the entire passage: headship chain produces honor chain

Mike shows how the honor interpretation unifies the passage.

honor chain headship chain Gospel of John
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Paul uses 'the law' to refer to all of scripture, not just the Pentateuch

Mike argues that 'law' in Paul's usage can mean the Old Testament generally, citing 1 Corinthians 14:21.

1 Corinthians 14:21 Isaiah 28:11-12 John 12:34 1 Corinthians 14:21 Isaiah 28:11-12 John 12:34
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Jesus also uses 'law' to refer to Psalms, not just the Pentateuch

Mike provides additional evidence that 'the law' was used broadly in the NT.

John 15:25 Psalm 35:19 Psalm 69:4 law as scripture John 15:25 Psalm 35:19
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Judging Prophecy Hinge 1: Was testing prophecy a real practice in the early church?

Mike establishes that testing/judging prophecy was indeed a regular church practice.

1 John 4:1 1 Corinthians 12:10 1 John 4:1 testing prophecy 1 Corinthians 12:10
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

The doctrinal/theological nature of testing prophecy from 1 John 4:1-3

Mike shows that testing prophecy involved theological evaluation.

1 John 4:1-3 Mormonism 1 John 4:1-3 Christology test
Mike Winger idea 2022-12-04

Elders have a natural role in judging prophecy due to their doctrinal guardianship function

Mike builds the case that elders must have been prominent in testing prophecy.

eldership doctrinal testing church governance
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Jesus' use of Sabbath examples to push back against over-application

Mike draws a parallel between Jesus pushing back on Pharisees' Sabbath rules and gender role over-application.

John 7:23 Matthew 12 John 7:23 Matthew 12 Sabbath healing
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Definition of pastor: a shepherding/caretaking leadership term synonymous with elder

Mike defines how he uses the word 'pastor' based on scripture.

Ephesians 4:11 1 Peter 2:25 Hebrews 13:20 Ephesians 4:11 1 Peter 2:25 Hebrews 13:20
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Women evangelizing men: easy case — the woman at the well, women at the resurrection

Mike addresses women doing evangelism toward men.

John 4:28-30 evangelism John 4:28-30 woman at the well
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

1 Corinthians 14:29-35 — women silent in judging prophecy, not silent in general

Mike interprets the controversial silence passage.

1 Corinthians 11 John MacArthur 1 Corinthians 14:29-35 1 Corinthians 11 John MacArthur judgment of prophecy
Mike Winger idea 2024-03-01

Women do NOT need to submit to all men — only their husbands

Mike rejects the idea of general female submission to all males.

John Piper John Piper Deborah submission to all men
Mike Winger idea 2023-11-22

Conclusion 9: John Piper's over-extension of the restriction is wrong

Mike critiques Piper's extreme application where even giving a man directions requires special deference.

John Piper over-application John Piper Pharisaism
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

JW claim: Jesus resurrected as spirit, not bodily

Foundation of the JW invisible return theology

1 Corinthians 15:45 1 Peter 3:18 John 14:19 1 Corinthians 15:45 1 Peter 3:18 John 14:19
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

2 John 1:7 misapplied: Gnostic/Docetic context

JW distortion of an anti-Gnostic passage

2 John 1:7 Incarnation 2 John 1:7 Gnosticism
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

Proof text #1: John 2:19-21 and the destroyed temple

Evidence for bodily continuity across resurrection

John 2:19-21 John 2:19-21 Temple metaphor Bodily continuity
Mike Winger idea 2018-01-10

Proof text #4: John 20:24-28 and Thomas's demand

Continuity of crucifixion marks in resurrection body

John 20:24-28 John 20:24-28 Nail prints Crucifixion marks
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Introduction: purpose is biblical analysis of Bill Johnson, Kris Vallotton, and the broader Bethel movement

Opening segment establishing scope and methodology of the livestream

Bill Johnson Kris Vallotton Bethel Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Methodology: neither defending nor attacking Bethel — the goal is clarity by taking them at their word

Mike distinguishes his approach from two common failure modes in critiquing Bethel

Bethel Church discernment methodology hermeneutics
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Avoiding guilt by association: Bill Johnson and Benny Hinn sharing a stage does not make them the same

Mike discusses how to be fair when evaluating someone who has associated with controversial figures

Bill Johnson discernment methodology Benny Hinn
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Mike's charitable assessment: he believes Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton are probably saved, and that real miracles and healings do come from the movement

Mike establishes a baseline of charitable Christian evaluation before critique

Bill Johnson Kris Vallotton salvation
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson's background: pastor in Weaverville, then moved to Bethel Redding in 1996 with revival as his non-negotiable condition

Historical background on how the Bethel movement began

church history Bill Johnson Bethel Church
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bethel as the center of a worldwide movement: apostolic network, Jesus Culture, and BSSM

Mike establishes the scope and infrastructure of the Bethel movement globally

revival Bethel Apostolic Network Jesus Culture
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

BSSM's goal: create cultural seeds — students trained to go back and transform other churches

Mike explains the deliberate strategy behind the school's design

Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry church culture Anaheim Vineyard
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

House of Generals: a planned museum of revival artifacts and relics for prayer and 'receiving anointing'

Mike describes a specific Bethel infrastructure project and its theological implications

Bill Johnson charismatic movement House of Generals
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson video quote: Bethel wants to export a duplicable 'revival culture' model, not American culture

Mike plays a direct video quote from Bill Johnson explaining his vision

Bill Johnson revival Jesus Culture
Mike Winger idea 2018-02-14

Bill Johnson considers himself an apostle, though he never explicitly claims the title — the structure and vibe of Bethel communicates it implicitly

Mike examines the apostolic self-understanding of Bill Johnson

Bill Johnson Kris Vallotton apostle
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