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Mark, I missed your Bible references on your post. Sorry. I have been copying and pasting sections for comment and for some reason I must have been interrupted and didn’t finish reading that one post

Mark, Thanks for your quick response. You said: > It is important to note that the atonement is the ‘canceling’ of our debt. That is, Jesus took our sin and the punishment for our sin onto his shou

Mark, > Cheryl, i agree 100% with the following… > > “I believe that one must first be able to exegete the passage first and show in the context the meaning that you put on the word or sentence or ve

Mark, > Not true! Moses wrote this and God used him to record what God wanted recorded. It in no ways makes it deceptive. I’m sure you will realise this once you get a chance to do some research on i

Mark, you said: > Thankyou for your comments. A few points… you are correct that the verb to be in verse 1 is a present participle- I missed that and I’m glad you corrected me. However this does not

Mark, You said: > You can’t say that the woman’s seed (in the context) is victorious over the serpents-so whether you translate it crush, strike, bruise etc you must do the same for both. Yes, I a

Mark, You said: > People can only recieve eternal life by being reconciled in Christ. That is precisely why ‘life’ can only be ‘given’ to God’s elect, because only God’s elect have their sins ‘aton

Don #43, Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you.  I have had a full plate here for days 🙂 You said: > Jon 3:4  Jonah began to go into the city, going a day’s journey. And he called out, “Y

Mark, I am continually amazed at how you refuse to engage the challenge and yet you come back as if you can find another source of accusation against me now charging me with being “selective” in the

Mark, > Have you now changed your view from saying they couldn’t speak His name to now they could, but the full revelation of what that meant didn’t come until [Exodus 3](logos4:///Bible/Ex 3)? If so

bgk #54, > The carageenan in my ice cream comes from seaweed, but I don’t know if it has seeds.  Very cute!  And a mighty fine sense of h

Mark, > I appreciate your comments regarding [Gen 3:15](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3.15). Let me just say one final thing in case you missed it. I do agree with you that looking bcak at this verse in our pos

NN, Thanks for joining in the discussion so that we can work on clarification on this issue and a sense of unity in our love for the Lord Jesus and each other. > A few points are necessary to clari

John, I am thankful that you are still here.  It must mean that you are willing to try to hear us out.  Coming into a blog atmosphere where the majority believe in women’s freedom to serve without re

Hi Mark, > Thank you for clarifying your question. Now i can see what it is you are asking. Well, I am glad that you are roundabout admitting that you were the one that was not understanding, but wi

Craig, You said: > Is it > “usurp the authority of an accepted/authorized teacher before you yourself have been authorized” > as Kristen has put forward or to “dominate” as I think you believe.

Mark you said: > Now Cheryl claimed that no such ‘additional grammar’ in [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2) shows that Paul means a past condition. However in verse 2 is a very clear grammatical feature-

Cindy K, Good questioning attitude!  You said: > Ortlund seems to be saying that Eve set out with the willful intent to twist what God had said, as if she needed no encouragement from the serpent.

Now concerning Mark’s answers about Eve not being banished from the garden. Mark, you said: > 1. First of all, we need to remember that this verse is within the corpus of punishment and curse. Ther

Paula, I am going back to the comments from #10 as I took a break for a few days to deal with other matters. I am glad that you agree with me that the passage is literal. I asked you “what was Adam

gengwall, You said: > God: Eve, there are some unfortunate consequences that are going to affect you personally because of the situation. You will have an increase in sorrow and in pregnancy and ra

Mark, you said: > I’m a bit concerned about your 7 points. None of your references mention at all that the Jews did not fear God. You are bringing that into the text. I am actually quite shocked tha

Peter, you wrote about [John 17:12](logos4:///Bible/Jn 17.12) In this verse, looking at the words of the text, Judas is among the “them” group. Of the members of this group, Judas is the one that was

Hi Peter, You wrote: I am not sure if I hit a nerve with you, but the conversation is becoming slightly less than irenic, and I think it is best to leave it before it becomes personal. Thanks for the

Mark, You asked regarding Ryan’s comments: > In what way is the husband the source of his wife? What does that mean from the context? Then in what way does that parallel the Church and Christ? The

#230 Craig, You said: > One of the staff at my church said egals use a “different hermeneutic”. I have often heard comps say it is a “liberal hermeneutic”. I don’t really understand what they mean,

Mark, You mention my lack of Greek exegesis on [Eph 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11). Well let me enlighten you so that we can be on the same page. The grammar of [Eph 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11)

Mark, You said: > I am glad you attempted to address all of my post, I give you credit for that. It seems that since I last logged on, comments have risen so I won’t have time to answer them all- b

Mark, You said: > Now about being a child of God. I have agreed with you that we are children of God once we believe. However like I said [Romans 8](logos4:///Bible/Ro 8) and [Eph 1](logos4:///Bibl

Mark you quoted me and then said: > “[Ephesians 2:8, 9](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.8,9) is not talking about faith as a gift because the term is singular and faith is said to be the thing that the gift (s

Mark, I would like to add some comments to your exegesis of [John 6:26-30](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6.26-30) because you missed some things. > [John 6:25–26](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6.25-26) (NASB) > 25 Whe

gengwall, I am very pleased that you are allowing yourself to be open about Eve not having sinned in rebellion after the fall. > Either [Gen 3:16](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3.16) is exclusively about Adam

Mark, You said to pinklight: > Here lies the problem with your view. You are looking at it from a readers perspective. We do know alot of other details from verses other that verse 23. However how

#44 CLC, You said: > 2. Second, my NIV translation makes it seem like only women fell into sin: “14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.” We all

John, In your comment #97, you copy and paste from a scholar that you say gives an excellent exposition.  This scholar says: > Paul with this explanatory injection states the reason why these women

Mark, You said: > If you look closely at the Hebrew in [Genesis 3](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3), there is nothing in the grammar to suggest that Eve’s motive’s were good and Adam’s bad. Actually I just p

Mark, You said: > I appreciate your attempt to defend the doctrine of original sin. I agree wholeheartedly here with you. I take this as a kind word from you and it feels really good to have someo

Mark, You said: > “[Joh 6:37](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6.37) All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” > > And then you said “Jesus says that “all” (no

Mark, You said: > I understand that you believe in a sin nature from Adam and Greg does not, but the logical conclusion of what you are saying leads to the same path. You say we have the ability as

Peter, you are a LONG way from home! You wrote: IF you are right about John the Baptist’s status as an unbeliever, then you have a strong case. I appreciate you saying this. If each point I made is va

Peter, Your case as presented is that in [John 6](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6) the term “coming” is a physical coming that means a physical following Jesus so that those people whom Jesus is talking about in

It has been a long day for me, but I am going to try to answer as much as I can before I head for bed. Mark, You said: > I have no problem saying that God was in control of what Adam said and knew

@207 gengwall I think I failed to congratulate you on thinking outside the box. Even if your view does not agree with mine, the fact that you are thinking for yourself and considering all the options

Mark, You said: > Again you have not dealt with any precise exegetical arguments i have raised. Please deal with them. > > I have not talked about hiding sin, only you have. Well, Mark, that appea

Peter, You wrote: The crux of our impasse is that it seems to me that you want to consider that passages that show the role of the Father – as in the case of the Lord opening Lydia’s heart, and insist

Thanks, dear folks for adding good thoughts while I was not able to be here! I have been so incredibly busy the last while that something had to give and the blog just couldn’t have my attention. I wi

Don, > As I stated, one sees the polemic in [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1) in contrast to the other polytheistic origins stories. I don’t know about the other polytheistic origin stories. What I was

Paula, Thanks for your consideration. It has been a stressful week for sure! This is a great discussion. > 1a – I don’t agree that Adam’s words contradict the idea of Eve being made from a “female”

Going back to @Mark #41, you said: > Where your exegesis becomes troublesome is when you appeal that the ‘they’ is husband and wife, since then it inevitably means that the future salvation of the wi

Peter, You wrote: If He is still alive when they also begin to follow Him, it seems that He would be caring for them as well. I would just say that they are not the primary subjects in view in the pra

Jessica, Welcome to my blog! I always appreciate when complementarians are willing to dialog. > For me, it isn’t so much that Eve usurped Adam’s authority, but she denied the goodness of God. The s

#22 Cindy K, > I intended to say more directly before that I don’t think that it is expressly “pagan” to believe that the “they” of [Genesis 1:27](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1.27) means that there was one pe

#18 Cindy K, You said: > Unfortunately, much of that ideology has shaped my thinking, sometimes to the point that I wish I could take a toothbrush and toothpaste to scrub out my brain. I understand

Mark, You said: > Naming her was the mans responsibility. Sigh! Where does it say that in text? There is no authority or responsibility given in the text. Or do you think that just repeating the s

Mark, you said: > Also the present takes a future meaning in some contexts. > > [John 14:3](logos4:///Bible/Jn 14.3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with

Mark, Is there any passage that shows that an unregenerate person cannot hear God at all? [Acts 10:1-4](logos4:///Bible/Ac 10.1-4) shows Cornelius as one who was not yet a believer in Jesus, called “

Lin, You said: This is because ‘desire’ is not a good translation and takes us into all kinds of error and problems on both sides of egal/comp. God warned Eve that she would turn to her husband an

Mark, I am not even convinced that you understand the Hebrew scholar correctly. Is he really stating that men have taken the liberty to add things to God’s word and God was fine with that? The first

Mark, Concerning Question #3. I asked you where the Bible says that only elders could teach? I also asked you if single men are in sin for being pastors? You did not answer these questions. I would

Craig, I value your questions and I think that others do as well. The difference between you and some others who come here is that you appear to be genuinely interested in seeing both sides and you

Mark, Again you misrepresent me. You said: > Cheryl believes that although Eve’s quotation of God’s words was a direct command given to her only, since Adam had already been told what not to eat ([

Peter, I see that you have not answered yet on my response to point #1. You must still be considering my challenge to think outside the box. I will answer point #2 as it is similar to point #1. We can

Hi Mark, I don’t expect everyone to be clear on the Trinity. It is a difficult subject to comprehend and explain. You said: > What i am trying to emphasise is that Jesus and the Spirit are not jus

Okay, I’m back and just going to catch up on gengwall’s comments that I didn’t address. Gengwall @210 you said: > Yes – I’m saying that maybe Paul wanted Timothy to understand vs. 11 and 12 to mean

Craig @103 You said: > I can see the context of false teaching in ch1 and 2 and clearly relate this to 2:11-15. Your argument from v14,15 concerning a particular woman and man seems conclusive to m

Don, The premise is that there is no universal law that is not repeated in scripture.  I am not saying that God has to repeat the law to the exact same people that he said it to the first time.  What

gengwall, > My “guarding” stuff was kind of shooting from the hip. Suffice it to say that I do not think of Adam as the guardian of Eve so much as the guardian of an environment. I think we are in sy

Thanks for all your good comments. It is an interesting thing that Neopatriarch posts on the CCC forum under the name “statisticallyodd”. That forum has decided that I need the gospel preached to me

Mark, You said: > Now about [1 Cor 12](logos4:///Bible/1Co 12)! First of all i don’t believe it is a less ‘teacher’ than [Eph 4](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4). Second the reason why Paul numbers the gifts

#91 Don, > And a natural metaphor (for me) is evening is the onset of darkness/night, which is associated with less order and morning is the onset of light/daytime, which is associated with more orde

Craig, Thanks for thinking out loud and answering your own question! Your answer is very good. I would only add an answer that is referenced in the passage but Paul saying (vs 14) And it was not Ada

Peter, you said: So, if “driving away” can be said to a physical, earthly rejection of anyone who would try to follow him – with wrong motivation, it takes on a different nuance than does the judgemen

Peter, You presented the context of [John 6:37](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6.37) as the words of Jesus at the end of John. You wrote: Also, in verses 65-67, it is interesting to notice that COMING is juxtapos