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What Mike Winger Gets Wrong on What Women Can’t Do
Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 13 on what women can and can't do according to the Bible
Obedience is not a secondary issue
The article argues that the restriction on women serving as pastors, grounded in 1 Timothy 2:12, is not a secondary or debatable theological issue but a plain obedience issue. The author contends Paul's prohibition is rooted in creation order (not culture), making it transcultural and non-negotiable, and that egalitarian interpretations require "obliterating" what Paul plainly says. The piece ends with a challenge to egalitarians: what does obedience or disobedience to this passage actually look like?
A 14-Point Biblical Case for Women Leaders and Teachers And Why Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists Are Wrong About This
A 14-point biblical case for women leaders and teachers, responding to Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists
What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Women Leaders in the New Testament (PART A)
Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 4 on women leaders in the New Testament (Part A)
What Winger Presently Gets Wrong With Genesis 1–3: ‘Was Women’s Submission Just A Curse To Be Overturned?’
Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 2 on Genesis 1-3 and whether women's submission was just a curse to be overturned
Jesus, Justice, and Gender Roles: A Case for Gender Roles in Ministry (Fresh Perspectives on Women in Ministry)
Kathy Keller — Kindle highlights from '>-'. 6 highlights.
Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 5-7: 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Timothy 3, Galatians 3:28
[Music] the women are to keep silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak but are to subject themselves just as the law also says if they desire to learn anything let them ask their own husbands at home for it is improper for a woman to speak in church 1 Corinthians 14 has been a diff...
Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 1-2: The Designer Knows Best
[Music] oh [Music] Lord why would you give me gifts that you don't allow me to use in the church just because I'm a woman why does the bible always use the term man am I important to God [Music] too why do you love boys more than girls why am I told that I can't lead in public prayer why are there s...
Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Part 3: Head Coverings and Authority - 1 Corinthians 11
[Music] 1 Corinthians 11 has been a difficult chapter throughout church history there are some things that are hard to understand about this passage but using an understanding of the Jewish mindset will help us unravel Paul's reasoning let's start at verse three but I want you to understand that Chr...
Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Part 4: 1 Timothy 2 Deception & the First Created
[Music] 1 Timothy Chapter 2 has been a difficult passage for Bible interpreters because of several hard to understand verses yet while Paul's reasoning is thought to be somewhat obscure this chapter has been seen by some as the clearest passage that says when women are not allowed to teach or to hav...
Masculine Christianity
This is part 2 of What God intended at creation and it is inspired by a recent lecture given by John Piper where he states that God’s intention for Christianity is for it to have a “ masculine feel “. After discussing John Piper’s Masculine Christianity, I will give my critique of his masculine argu
Creation Rule
## What did God intend at creation
Eph 5 Infected
In my last post, I presented one of the best sermons that I have ever heard on Ephesians 5, regarding the evidence of Spirit-filled lives for both men and women. This post is on the opposite of the Spirit-filled life which is an influx of worldly infection through male-centered pride
Phil Johnson Monstrous Divas
Phil Johnson over at Pyromaniacs has struck up some heat on a post that he titles “The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of the Discernment Divas”. In this post and in his subsequent comments he makes his position plain that women are not allowed to publicly point out an erro
Repost Authority Vs Submission A Biblical View Of Ephesians 522
My original 2010 post crashed because there were too many comments for my blog to handle, so I am putting up this post again so that people can read the article which is no longer available because of the crash. Thanks to one of my readers who asked me to repost
1 Timothy 212 Prohibitions Revisited
I started a post months ago and then life became so complicated I had to set my blog aside to cope. This post will now be the new “home” on the discussion on whether 1 Timothy 2:12 has two prohibitions or one
1 Timothy 212 Two Prohibitions Or One
## 1 Timothy 2:12 prohibitions: Two or One
A Woman Anaphoric
In a recent blog post , there has been some discussion on 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 in the comment section, and the question of whether “a woman” is generic woman or a specific woman. I always appreciate questions and challenges on my position as it continually pushes me to continue to do research in order
Cbmw Brought To Task For Misuse Of Scripture By Demand For Apology
Newsflash July 24, 2010
Eph 5 22 Post 3
Our discussions on Ephesians 5:22 has sparked a flurry of comments with literally hundreds of comments later and seemingly no end to the “iron sharpening iron” discussion between egalitarians as well as complementarians. This is the place where the discussion will continue as my blog has a habit of
Submission And Origin Of Authority
When is authority given and when can it be rightfully assumed. These are questions that have divided egalitarians and complementarians in the area of marriage
Authority Vs Submission Biblical View
Yesterday I received two polar opposite views of Ephesians 5:22 by email. One was from “NN” who has responded here in the past
Calling God To Account
While God is Sovereign, some men believe that they can set a limit on God’s gifts. In the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s doctrinal stand, they believe that God is allowed to distribute gifts to men and women alike with the gifts listed in 1 Cor
Why Let Women Lead Bible Studies
CBMW (Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) has set itself up as a go-to organization for those complementarians who have not been able to figure out from the Bible which things are allowable for women and which things are not. But does their counsel exceed the Bible
T4G Comp Tied To Gospel
The 2010 Together for the Gospel conference is on right now as I write this article. The conference this year is called The Unadjusted Gospel and according to J
John Piper Takes Leave Of Ministry To Work On His Marriage
On March 28, 2010, complementarian John Piper announced that he is leaving ministry for a time because of several issues of pride that were affecting his soul and had taken a toll on his relationship with his wife Noël. Below is what Piper has written about his issues and his next steps
Eve Usurped Adam Authority
In our continuing topic of common objections to women in ministry, we come to the claim that Eve usurped Adam’s authority when she spoke to the serpent. To deal with this claim, we will be looking at both the claim that Eve rebelled against Adam in the garden and the claim that God gave Adam a respo
Men Taken Womens Good Portion
> “…Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her. ” Luke 10:41-42
Women More Easily Deceived
Another reason some complementarians claim for denying women opportunities to minister in the church is that it is said that women are more easily deceived than men so men alone are permitted to minister in the church. A good example of this kind of rationale is found here with this excerpt:
Adam Names Eve
One of the positions that complementarians commonly hold is that male and female were created with distinct roles so that one (the male) is said to have been given the authority over the other (the female) and the fact that Adam names Eve is used as proof of the man’s authority. CMBW (The Council on
Gods Design In Genesis
How is it that there are millions of Christians who all look to the same Genesis account yet find themselves with different and contradictory truth claims from the same account. While many conclude that man was designed in a special way that sets him above the woman with special God-given privileges
Neopatriarchs Fails To Refute Cheryl Schatz
According to those who have been followed a trail left by our old friend Neopatriarch (who many of you may recall was the young complementarian who used to post challenges on this blog until he left in exasperation when his arguments didn’t make the grade), he has apparently been presently himself
Womens Speaking Dishonors Men
Another common objection to women in ministry is the claim that when women speak and lead publicly it dishonors men
Two Gifts Or One
The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one
First Christmas God Came Through Woman
While many say that women cannot receive from God something that will benefit men (as they believe that all wisdom that God has for humanity must come through the agency of a man) may I remind us today that the Wisdom of God brought God Himself into the world through a woman. The vessel that He used
Equal In Value And Worth In Whose Eyes
One of the problems with the definitions that complementarians provide is that the definitions aren’t complete enough on the surface to reveal the underlying hierarchical nature. However, when one pushes to get the answers to some difficult questions, the picture becomes a lot clearer
Does The Husband Alone Have Divine Wisdom
In a recent CBMW blog article, John Starke recounts Richard Baxter’s instructions for the Christian family. (Richard Baxter was a 17th century Puritan)
Putting Women In Their Place
The November 17, 2009 CBMW blog post by John Starke that we started to evaluate last post , is an amazing “piece of work” that exalts the 17th century writings of a Puritan named Richard Baxter who attempts to put women in their place. Starke continues to summarize Baxter’s writings:
Can A Wifes Authority Be Overruled
## Can a wife’s authority be overruled
Comp Spiritual Abuse
Can complementarianism ever be considered spiritual abuse. Before we can discuss this, we need to know what spiritual abuse is
Does God Torment Women
## Is it a sin for a woman
Julie Pennington Russell Talks About The Georgia State Convention
## Julie Pennington-Russell
Church Led By Woman Pastor Is Forced Out Of Gbc
On November 11, 2009, the Georgia Baptist Convention adopted a policy that ended its 148-year relationship with First Baptist Church of Decatur, Georgia. According to the Associated Baptist News ,
Comp View Of 1Cor11 Mark
This post is a first. I have never before taken the writing of a complementarian and posted it on my blog
God Said It
Could complementarians be wrong
Women On Trial
I have just uploaded onto youtube 6 approximately 10-minute clips from my 2006 talk in Pennsylvania at the Witnesses Now for Jesus Conference. I have added the videos below
Southwestern Asserts Male Headship
## Southwestern Seminary and their policy of male headship
Do The Genders Have Different Functions
I am creating a new post to continue the great discussion that we have been having on a previous post while I am out of the country. The original discussion is on this post and since we have grown to over 240 comments, I would ask that we continue our discussions with Mark the complementarian here
Adam Rule Woman Animals
## Adam the ruler of the animals AND the woman
Neopatriarch Once Again Fails To Refute Cheryl Schatz
## Challenging my position that 1 Timothy 2:15 is a single woman
Evaluating Schatz Seaver Debate
On July 27th, 2009 Mike Seaver and I started a ten session debate on Women in Ministry where I was able to ask Mike questions on his position, he answered my questions and then we each had one response. Mike is still considering whether he will continue with another ten sessions where Mike will ask
Australian Conference On Women In Ministry Cheryl Schatzs Article Now Online
My article is now up on the Australian conference for the Presbyterian church. Click here to read the article and feel free to comment
John Piper On Submission In Abuse
## John Piper: “What should a wife’s submission to her husband look like if he’s an abuser. ”
Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Debate 6
In the last blog post Cheryl Schatz posed her third set of questions to Mike Seaver regarding their debate on women in ministry. Links to all the previous questions and responses is at the end of this post
Ask John Piper Do Some Complementarians Deny Women Opportunities
## Do Some Complementarians deny women opportunities
Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 2
## Facing the spiritual “law” head-on from 1 Corinthians 14
Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 1
## Building Bridges on the Women in Ministry debate
Jimmy Carter Leaves Sbc
## What made Jimmy Carter leave the SBC
New Debate Seaver Schatz
## New debate with Mike Seaver
Wayne Grudem 6
This is the part 6 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open Letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his sixth question, Suzanne McCarthy’s answer and my own questions below that
Wayne Grudem 5
This is the part 5 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his fifth question, Suzanne McCarthy’s answer from the Greek and my own questions below that
Wayne Grudem 4
This is the part 4 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his fourth question, Suzanne McCarthy’s answer from the Greek and my own questions below that
Wayne Grudem 3
This is the part 3 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his third question and my own answer
Wayne Grudem Part 2
In my last post I copied Wayne Grudem’s “Open letter to Egalitarians”, and I listed the first question of his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his second question, Suzanne McCarthy’s expert Greek answer, and my own challenge after that
Wayne Grudems An Open Letter To Egalitarians
In 1998 Wayne Grudem wrote “An Open Letter to Egalitarians,” and in the letter, he gave six questions that he said have never been satisfactorily answered
Womens Preaching Affirmed
I recently came across a blog article by Pastor Brian Mann who although he is a complementarian, admits that God affirms women’s preaching. Mann writes:
Semigalitariansim And Feminist Air
When does explaining God’s Word make one an enemy of the church. According to Mike Seaver, a woman who is allowed to teach the Word of God to men, even if she is under the authority of her husband and even if she has received authority from her pastor to teach the Bible (and assuming her pastor is m
Neopatriarch Fails To Refute Cheryl
Some have wondered why “Chris” the complementarian stopped posting here. Apparently, he could not get his refutation of my work to stand in an interactive forum so he moved it over to a place where he could have the floor to himself
Paul As He Pleases 9
This is the ninth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day
Paul Women Pastors 8
This is the eighth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day
7 Paul Adam Accountability
This is the seventh in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day
Paul_And_Genesis
This is the sixth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day
5 Apostle Paul They
This post is the fifth one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day
Round 4 Interview With The Apostle Paul
This post is the fourth one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day
Round 3 Interview With Paul On A Woman
This post is the third one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. Doug, a strong complementarian has been given the opportunity to ask Paul about
Round 2 Interview With Paul
This post is the second one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. While Paul gets to experience life in the 21st century, Doug, a strong complem
Interview With The Apostle Paul
This post will be a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. We are interested in asking Paul his reasons for what he wrote about women and what he thin
Reaching Unity In The Faith Without Authoritarian Control
The picture above represents not only the “bride” of Christ held back and controlled, but women in the “bride” of Christ held back and controlled. It is a great concern to me that there are many in the body who think that authoritarian control is needed to keep people in line and to keep the unity o
Adams Sin Imputed To Eve
One of the most bizarre teachings of CBMW is the one taught in Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood in chapter 3 written by Raymond C. Ortlund Jr
Adam And His Ms Organ
The creation account has been used by many as a foundation to produce myths and stories. While this post will concentrate on modern day myths, it is also helpful to understand some of the historical myths about the creation of male and female
Man Give Woman Self Understanding
Was the first man needed to give woman her self-understanding. According to Raymond C
The Difference Between Male And Female
This is a quickie post because I couldn’t resist allowing my four year old grandson Isaac to teach us all some of the basics. Ready
Ortlund Obscuring The Nature Of Male And Female
In our discussion of CBMW’s book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood , continuing on in chapter 3 in the writings of Raymond C. Ortlund Jr
The Emperor Has No Clothes
In the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood , chapter 3 is written by Raymond C. Ortlund, Jr
Did The Serpent Have More Knowledge Than Man
The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has published a book called Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and on page 73, John Piper and Wayne Grudem write that Adam was ordained as the one responsible for the life of the garden. The reference is in response to a quote from 1 Timothy 2:14
Who Was Judge Deborah Or Barak
The story of Deborah and Barak in the book of Judges has caused many hierarchists to assign the God-given work of judge delivering the people of Israel to Barak while denying that God raised up Deborah as a deliverer. By assigning a calling to Barak that scripture never assigns, it appears that the
They Are Sinning Through Questioning
The issue of women in ministry allows us to the opportunity to ask questions about the hard passages of scripture and to work through these passages to discover God’s intended meaning through the inspired context. But in many quarters, questioning is a “sin” that will get a reprimand from a strong a
Was 1 Timothy 2 Written To The Church
Complementarians claim that 1 Timothy 2:12 is universally applicable because they say it was written for the church to know how to behave. According to John MacArthur, in God’s High Calling for Women part 1 , 1 Timothy was written to “set the church in order”
Do Egalitarians Twist The Scriptures
The charge is often laid that egalitarians twist the scriptures. I would like to apply a saying that I read recently
The Feminization Of The Church A Modern Day Fix
There has been much talk in the last few years about the “feminization” of the church. Books have been written about this “serious” problem and many men are thoroughly disgusted with seeing men outnumbered by women in the church
Galatians 328 Is It Only About Salvation
According to complementarians, Galatians 3:28 is not about equality in Christ, but about all of us being in the same “boat” of salvation. The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) has made quite an effort to try to demolish Galatians 3:28 as a basis of spiritual equality outside of salvat
Spiritually Different By Design
CBMW (Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) puts on conferences called “Different by Design” and in these conferences they teach that God created men and women different for different purposes
Daniel Wallace Requests Rewrite
In an interesting development, complementarian Dr. Daniel Wallace, professor of New Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary requests a rewrite of a blog article critiquing an article he wrote on the role of women in the church for Bible
Anne Graham Lotz And 800 Pastors Shame
CBMW relates a story told by Anne Graham Lotz in the Washington Post where Mrs Lotz writes:
Recovering From Feminism Recovery
Wade Burleson has written an exceptionally thought-provoking post on the difference between one young woman’s journey through her pain (it appears to be a rejection of herself by a boyfriend) into the pathway of accepting a tradition that gives authoritarian license to males vs one young slave woman
Let Her Learnor Not
In our continuing discussion of 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, we come to the problematic area of learning
Three Spheres Of Subordination Shrinks To Two
In my last post I pointed to USA Today’s editorial that challenged complementarians who are willing to accept a woman as the Vice President of the country, that they should admit that they are full fledged egalitarians in the realm of society, the workplace and public life
Semi Egalitarians
USA Today has an editorial written by David P Gushee in which Mr. Gushee challenges complementarians that they are actually semi-egalitarians and they should be willing to openly acknowledge this
Unorthodox View Trinity
Wade Burleson has blogged on the Trinity and the unorthodox trend that has come into the church that teaches an eternally subordinated Son of God in the Trinity
Are We Too Emotional
Are we really too emotional
Gospel Today Magazine Pulled
A Christian magazine is treated as pornography merely for reporting on the trend of women pastors
Ministry Produces Fear
Wade Burleson has produced a thought-provoking article about character assassination that comes as a result of fear. Wade writes :
Is Complementarianism Merely Personal Conviction
This post is a response to Randy Stinson’s article titled “ Is Complementarianism a Merely Personal Conviction. “
Eve And God
One’s world view can cause one to have presuppositions that bring set patterns of reasoning that have nothing to do with the text of scripture. One of these areas is with Eve’s relationship with God and whether God placed the man in charge of her basic knowledge
Was The Man Given Authority To Rule The Woman
This is the fifth and final response to Matt Slick’s article called Genesis 2, Adam and Eve, and Authority
Should Comps Debate
While there has been some genuine, respectful dialog between complementarian and egalitarian scholars, more often than not, the emotions that are brought into the dialog have brought less than respectful debate. The body of Christ is meant to fight the enemy together but when some turn their weapons
Primogeniture
In the next of Matt Slick’s articles on women in ministry that I will be reviewing is his article called Primogeniture found at Matt gives what he considers to be the meaning of primogeniture:
Answering Matt Slicks Agenda On 1 Timothy 2:12
This is part 2 of answering the complementarian objections of Matt Slick on 1 Timothy 2:11-15. See part one here
Partriarchy
One of the key differences between an egalitarian and a patriarchal marriage is in the area of authority and will. In a patriarchal marriage, the man is set up as the final decision maker of the home and he is given the right to make a decision for his wife even if it overrules her will
Hierarchical Teaching Influences The Doctrine Of The Trinity
One of the ways that hierarchical teaching has influenced the church since the 1970’s is in the area of the doctrine of the Trinity. In hierarchical teaching, the Trinity is no longer three functionally equal persons who share the same nature
Helpful Sites For Research On Egalitarian Views
I was also asked to have a place where we could list good blogs/web sites that promote godly views about women in ministry or issues of egalitarian marriage, etc. This post will be the permanent place to place links
Godly Complementarians And Elvis Has Left The Building
With all the hostile name-calling tactics against egalitarians rampant on the internet, godly, peace-loving complementarians may wonder what they can do in their current position to bring peace amongst the body of Christ. I am glad you asked
The Bayly Brothers And The Trinity
Awhile back I was asked to consider posting a comment on a very strong complementarian blog that is known to be rather unloving towards egalitarians. This particular blog, I found, was run by two pastors of a Presbyterian church who appear to think that egalitarians do not have the right Jesus or th
Equal But Different Deteriorates To An Unequal Trinity
The term “equal but different” has become a catch phrase in marriage and “women in ministry” issues as it has replaced the pre-1970’s common view of the inferiority of women. In complementarian circles the thought is that women are equal in person but different in role
The Husband As King Over The Wife
In part two of this discussion we asked whether God has ordained that a woman must have a priest in the home to represent her to God and God to her. Today we continue our discussion about whether a husband is to have the position of king over his wife in their marriage
Gods Woman Is She Needy Of A Representative Priest Part 2
In part one, ( click here to read ) we discussed whether God created the woman as needed or needy. In this continuing discussion we ask whether God has ordained that a woman must have a priest in the home to represent her to God and God to her
From Bobbed Hair Bossy Wives And Women Preachers To Woman Be Free
I am very pleased that Stan Gundry has given me permission to post his story about how he changed his view from a staunch complementarian to an egalitarian. I would also request that if you have a story about your own journey from prejudice to freedom in Christ regarding women in ministry that you e
The Original Woman Needed Or Needy
The foundation of the dispute between egalitarians and complementarians is the creation account found in the book of Genesis. How each side views the creation of woman defines the view of woman throughout the rest of scripture
Laying A False Argument To Rest
One of the arguments that complementarians employ against women in ministry is the argument that God only used women as prophets and leaders in the Bible when there were no men available at the time. Is this really a valid argument
Women Teaching Mens Prejudice And Gods Glory
Many complementarians have been so used to hearing what women are not allowed to do in the body of Christ rather than what scripture says women should do as followers of Christ, that the focus has become automatically set to see restrictions when the subject of women in ministry is discussed. With t
Jesus Our Example Of A Godly Husband
What is the godly way for a husband to treat his wife. Should he take authority over her and make decisions for her by going against her will
The Trinity And The Womens Issue
Just a quick update to let you all know that our ministry is working on a DVD project on the Trinity. While it isn’t directly on the women’s issue, it will deal directly with the complementarian view of the Trinity and a biblical refutation of that view
Mary As Gods Kind Of Woman
In conjunction with my new series on marriage started with my previous post and the question of whether a wife is to have a man take authority over her (as if her husband is required to rule her), click here to read an excellent blog article about the best example of a New Testament “God’s kind of w
Is Pastor One Of The Spiritual Gifts
While some people consider a “Pastor” to be an office, scripture lists “Pastor” as a spiritual gift in Ephesians 4:8-11
Are Womens Gifts To Be Used Outside The Church
In my blog entry called “ Are women’s gifts secondary. ” I documented the complementarian teaching that women’s gifts are secondary to men’s gifts and that women to use their gifts outside the church
Witnessing On Worthy Boards
While I am working on the next post regarding spiritual gifts, have a look at a bulletin board where the majority of people are hierarchists. I have posted a topic on the need for two or three witnesses to establish a matter
Are Womens Gifts Secondary
Last post we referenced 1 Corinthians 12:7 teaching us that the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good of the body of Christ. But are women’s gifts somehow secondary
Are Womens Gifts For The Common Good
Today I am starting a new set of posts on the spiritual gifts which are given to each person in the body of Christ. I would like to start with 1 Corinthians 12:7
Things Biblical Feminists Do Not Believe
Today I would like to refer you to a post by Christians for Biblical Equality (CBE) called “ Some things biblical feminists do not believe “. Although I do not like the term “feminists” or “feminism” because of the connection with secular feminism that complmenetarians try to read into the term “bib
Pastor Paul And Women In Ministry
Every once in awhile I link to a blog that has material that I really like. Today I want to link to a blog by Pastor Paul Burleson which has some good things about women in ministry even though Pastor Paul is “going against the flow” in the Southern Baptist Convention
Freeing Sisters In The Southern Baptist Convention
Wade Burleson has a great new post on women called “ Are The Sisters Free to Function. ” It is an article written by Jon Zens
Should Cbmw Fight Egalitarians
This week CBMW (the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) released two audio tapes from the February 2007 “Different by Design” Conference held in Minneapolis Minnesota. ( ) I was amazed at the way that the gospel was connected to the gender issue in such a way that those who do not hold to pa
We Are In Our New Home
We are mostly moved into our new home and much of our time has been spent in unpacking boxes. Our living room now feels like home since six book cases of my research and bible study books have been unpacked
Is Adam The Representative Head Of The Human Race
Those who believe that God created a hierarchical relationship between men and women will usually state that God created Adam as the “federal head” of the human race. This “federal headship” is said to be not only physical in that all of humanity has its origin in Adam, but spiritual because of a di
Discrimination Of Women In The Sbc Can They Teach Men At All
I have been following a blog documenting the injustice done to Dr. Sheri Klouda a professor of Hebrew who was forced out of her teaching position at the Southern Baptist Convention’s Southwestern Theological Seminary because the new President, Paige Patterson, does not believe that women should be t
The Case Of The Battling Proof Texts Part Two
In part one, we discussed the fact that the Bible does not contradict itself so when a complementarian has a “proof text” that is used to prove that women are not allowed to teach the Bible to men, they must also deal with the apparent contradictions of this view. Here are some of the contradiction
Slavery Still An Issue Today So Says The Wilderness Crier
I came across an excellent post written very tongue-in-cheek about the issue of slavery using all of the standard arguments against women teaching the bible to men. It is worth the read and the link is here
Can Only Men Judge Right From Wrong In The Church
I read with interest Wayne Grudem’s claim that 1 Cor. 14:34 means that women are to “keep silent”regarding weighing of the oral prophecies in the assembly
Does God Have One Unique Law Part Three
In this part three of “Does God have one unique law. ” we will be discussing the last set of circumstances that set apart the “law” that complementarians say God made that forbids godly Christian women from teaching correct biblical doctrine to men
Does God Have One Unique Law Part Two
Complementarians have stated that God has a law that forbids godly Christian women from teaching correct biblical doctrine to men. This law, they say, is revealed in 1 Timothy 2:12
Does God Have One Unique Law Part One
If complementarians are right in their interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:12, then God must have one completely unique law. This “law” forbidding women from teaching the bible to men is not like any other law in the bible
Another Complementarian Pastor Responds
I am preparing a talk on women in ministry partly based on questions and challenges presented to me by a complementarian Pastor from a large denomination which restricts women from teaching the bible to men. Here are excerpts that he gave regarding our DVD teaching series on Women in Ministry:
Can Complementarians Agree To Disagree
I sent a copy of our DVD “Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free. ” to the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood in February of 2006 and this summer I finally received a response
Pastor Has His Eyes Opened Regarding Faulty Traditions
I recently received this email from a Southern Baptist Pastor who watched the DVD “Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free. ” this summer:
Would Your Arguments Have Strength Without 1 Timothy 215
> Q: It also seems that 1 Timothy 2:15 is crucial for your interpretation. The word ‘she’ is a definite point in your favor
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> Women in Ministry: Silenced or Set Free. ” as a whole is a very well produced and presented multi-media teaching series on the legitimacy and freedom of women to be in any ministry that God should call them to
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1 Timothy 2:11-12 — women learning quietly with submission refers to the teaching context, not a prohibition on speaking at all.
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1 Timothy 3 qualifications for overseers (bishops/pastors/elders — synonymous terms) flow directly from 2:11-12 and use masculine language.
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1 Timothy 2:12 — "teach" and "exercise authority" may be two aspects of the same role, not two separate prohibitions.
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Women speaking in Acts and prophesying in church shows 1 Timothy 2 is not a ban on women speaking at all.
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Difference between ability/capability and calling: women may be skilled teachers but are not called to the pastoral role.
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Genesis establishes equal image-bearing of men and women; Galatians 3:28 establishes equality in salvation — different roles do not imply different value.
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Women teaching men in a pastoral/leadership role: Mike reiterates his complementarian position.
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Cheryl, Good question and I think it’s one that deserves attention. But here’s the rub. We egalitarians are not going to change the minds of those who hold fast to tradition any more than “they” are g...
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Hello Dennis, Thanks for stopping by and providing your comments. You said: > “Moore does not mean (nor does anyone one else I know who uses the terms “spiritual warfare”) that this is an in-hous...
Cheryl, Thank you for drawing attention to this escalating issue of “patriarchy” and the skewed teachings propagated by Vision Forum and for collaborating with Don Veinot. In retrospect, having grown...
Cheryl, I am so excited to see someone else make reference to the portion of the proto evangelian as a major consideration in this issue: the enmity between the serpent and the woman because of the s...
As I said in the other post, Slick made a very big deal about “authority” in a “church” setting, especially “the pulpit”. The word “pulpit” or its equivalent is not found in the NT at all. Neither are...
Cheryl, I listened to the debate earlier today while driving and I was absolutely appalled at Matt’s behavior towards you. In spite of his adamant disagreement with your biblical egalitarianism, such...
Dusman, you said: > Can a woman teach 12 year olds? 18 year olds? 21 year olds? When does it become unbiblical? Some have said when boys start getting hair under their arms. What you have said shoul...
Cheryl, I have your blog under my Firefox Bookmarks folder called “Christian Resources”. I will continue to be a reader of this blog. I believe your ministry to the Body of Christ is vital. Thank Go...
Hi Greg, I did notice that CBMW doesn’t have an open forum where people can dialog. A person can email their comments, but they don’t make the comments for all to see. I am not sure what they are afr...
I think a lot of this stuff goes back to the old “descriptive” vs “prescriptive” arguments. Wayne Grudem, who is known in some circles as “the godfather of complementarianism”, maintains that since Hu...
Cheryl, Stan, Don, etc., you are amazing. For some unknown reasons, I forced myself out of fear to read some of Andreas Kostenberger’s book, “Women in the Church”. It is a mountain of patriarchy, and ...
The church has already fallen a great distance when it can read “husband as prophet, priest, king” and not bat an eye. This is just horrible. The progression (really, regression) I’m seeing in so-cal...
Thanks for posting that quote from Danni’s blog, Cheryl. Good for her! This Craig Coffey/”Happy Promise Keeper” has indeed established a pattern of bullying; Danni did right to name the behavior and r...
Cheryl, I was very sorry to read Kamilla’s response. I thought your rules of engagment were very protective for her. And I agree that a public correction is the only option here. We must all test ever...
Hi Cheryl, How’s your research going. I hope and pray it’s going well. I am familiar with the Bayly blog. Some of the posts regarding evangelical egalitarians are just plain horrific. I’ve been notic...
Jason #35, Things are going well for me but very, very busy. I am still working on the Trinity DVD but distracted with legal matters with the ministry. Hopefully it will be resolved soon. > “But si...
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“My biggest issue with the particular label “complementarianism” is, not only is it an invented word, …” What did we call it before?...