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2024-08-08 response Andrew Bartlett & Terran Williams

What Mike Winger Gets Wrong on What Women Can’t Do

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 13 on what women can and can't do according to the Bible

2024-06-11 complementarian_argument T. Woznek

Obedience is not a secondary issue

The article argues that the restriction on women serving as pastors, grounded in 1 Timothy 2:12, is not a secondary or debatable theological issue but a plain obedience issue. The author contends Paul's prohibition is rooted in creation order (not culture), making it transcultural and non-negotiable, and that egalitarian interpretations require "obliterating" what Paul plainly says. The piece ends with a challenge to egalitarians: what does obedience or disobedience to this passage actually look like?

2023-03-14 response Andrew Bartlett & Terran Williams

A 14-Point Biblical Case for Women Leaders and Teachers And Why Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists Are Wrong About This

A 14-point biblical case for women leaders and teachers, responding to Mike Winger, The Gospel Coalition, and the Southern Baptists

2022-11-25 response Andrew Bartlett & Terran Williams

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong: Women Leaders in the New Testament (PART A)

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 4 on women leaders in the New Testament (Part A)

2022-11-24 response Andrew Bartlett & Terran Williams

What Winger Presently Gets Wrong With Genesis 1–3: ‘Was Women’s Submission Just A Curse To Be Overturned?’

Response to Mike Winger's Women in Ministry Part 2 on Genesis 1-3 and whether women's submission was just a curse to be overturned

2019-12-26 book_highlights Kathy Keller

Jesus, Justice, and Gender Roles: A Case for Gender Roles in Ministry (Fresh Perspectives on Women in Ministry)

Kathy Keller — Kindle highlights from '>-'. 6 highlights.

2017-06-08 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 5-7: 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Timothy 3, Galatians 3:28

[Music] the women are to keep silent in the churches for they are not permitted to speak but are to subject themselves just as the law also says if they desire to learn anything let them ask their own husbands at home for it is improper for a woman to speak in church 1 Corinthians 14 has been a diff...

2017-06-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Parts 1-2: The Designer Knows Best

[Music] oh [Music] Lord why would you give me gifts that you don't allow me to use in the church just because I'm a woman why does the bible always use the term man am I important to God [Music] too why do you love boys more than girls why am I told that I can't lead in public prayer why are there s...

2017-06-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Part 3: Head Coverings and Authority - 1 Corinthians 11

[Music] 1 Corinthians 11 has been a difficult chapter throughout church history there are some things that are hard to understand about this passage but using an understanding of the Jewish mindset will help us unravel Paul's reasoning let's start at verse three but I want you to understand that Chr...

2017-06-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free? Part 4: 1 Timothy 2 Deception & the First Created

[Music] 1 Timothy Chapter 2 has been a difficult passage for Bible interpreters because of several hard to understand verses yet while Paul's reasoning is thought to be somewhat obscure this chapter has been seen by some as the clearest passage that says when women are not allowed to teach or to hav...

2012-02-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Masculine Christianity

This is part 2 of What God intended at creation and it is inspired by a recent lecture given by John Piper where he states that God’s intention for Christianity is for it to have a “ masculine feel “. After discussing John Piper’s Masculine Christianity, I will give my critique of his masculine argu

2012-01-10 debate Cheryl Schatz

Creation Rule

## What did God intend at creation

2012-01-08 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Eph 5 Infected

In my last post, I presented one of the best sermons that I have ever heard on Ephesians 5, regarding the evidence of Spirit-filled lives for both men and women. This post is on the opposite of the Spirit-filled life which is an influx of worldly infection through male-centered pride

2011-10-29 debate Cheryl Schatz

Phil Johnson Monstrous Divas

Phil Johnson over at Pyromaniacs has struck up some heat on a post that he titles “The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of the Discernment Divas”. In this post and in his subsequent comments he makes his position plain that women are not allowed to publicly point out an erro

2011-06-14 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Repost Authority Vs Submission A Biblical View Of Ephesians 522

My original 2010 post crashed because there were too many comments for my blog to handle, so I am putting up this post again so that people can read the article which is no longer available because of the crash. Thanks to one of my readers who asked me to repost

2011-04-14 debate Cheryl Schatz

1 Timothy 212 Prohibitions Revisited

I started a post months ago and then life became so complicated I had to set my blog aside to cope. This post will now be the new “home” on the discussion on whether 1 Timothy 2:12 has two prohibitions or one

2010-12-14 debate Cheryl Schatz

1 Timothy 212 Two Prohibitions Or One

## 1 Timothy 2:12 prohibitions: Two or One

2010-08-03 commentary Cheryl Schatz

A Woman Anaphoric

In a recent blog post , there has been some discussion on 1 Timothy 2:11, 12 in the comment section, and the question of whether “a woman” is generic woman or a specific woman. I always appreciate questions and challenges on my position as it continually pushes me to continue to do research in order

2010-07-24 debate Cheryl Schatz

Cbmw Brought To Task For Misuse Of Scripture By Demand For Apology

Newsflash July 24, 2010

2010-06-15 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Eph 5 22 Post 3

Our discussions on Ephesians 5:22 has sparked a flurry of comments with literally hundreds of comments later and seemingly no end to the “iron sharpening iron” discussion between egalitarians as well as complementarians. This is the place where the discussion will continue as my blog has a habit of

2010-06-02 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Submission And Origin Of Authority

When is authority given and when can it be rightfully assumed. These are questions that have divided egalitarians and complementarians in the area of marriage

2010-05-23 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Authority Vs Submission Biblical View

Yesterday I received two polar opposite views of Ephesians 5:22 by email. One was from “NN” who has responded here in the past

2010-05-14 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Calling God To Account

While God is Sovereign, some men believe that they can set a limit on God’s gifts. In the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s doctrinal stand, they believe that God is allowed to distribute gifts to men and women alike with the gifts listed in 1 Cor

2010-04-29 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Why Let Women Lead Bible Studies

CBMW (Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) has set itself up as a go-to organization for those complementarians who have not been able to figure out from the Bible which things are allowable for women and which things are not. But does their counsel exceed the Bible

2010-04-14 commentary Cheryl Schatz

T4G Comp Tied To Gospel

The 2010 Together for the Gospel conference is on right now as I write this article. The conference this year is called The Unadjusted Gospel and according to J

2010-03-28 commentary Cheryl Schatz

John Piper Takes Leave Of Ministry To Work On His Marriage

On March 28, 2010, complementarian John Piper announced that he is leaving ministry for a time because of several issues of pride that were affecting his soul and had taken a toll on his relationship with his wife Noël. Below is what Piper has written about his issues and his next steps

2010-03-21 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Eve Usurped Adam Authority

In our continuing topic of common objections to women in ministry, we come to the claim that Eve usurped Adam’s authority when she spoke to the serpent. To deal with this claim, we will be looking at both the claim that Eve rebelled against Adam in the garden and the claim that God gave Adam a respo

2010-03-14 debate Cheryl Schatz

Men Taken Womens Good Portion

> “…Mary has chosen the good portion, which will not be taken away from her. ”  Luke 10:41-42

2010-03-01 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Women More Easily Deceived

Another reason some complementarians claim for denying women opportunities to minister in the church is that it is said that women are more easily deceived than men so men alone are permitted to minister in the church. A good example of this kind of rationale is found here with this excerpt:

2010-02-20 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Adam Names Eve

One of the positions that complementarians commonly hold is that male and female were created with distinct roles so that one (the male) is said to have been given the authority over the other (the female) and the fact that Adam names Eve is used as proof of the man’s authority. CMBW (The Council on

2010-02-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Gods Design In Genesis

How is it that there are millions of Christians who all look to the same Genesis account yet find themselves with different and contradictory truth claims from the same account. While many conclude that man was designed in a special way that sets him above the woman with special God-given privileges

2010-02-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Neopatriarchs Fails To Refute Cheryl Schatz

According to those who have been followed a trail left by our old friend Neopatriarch (who many of you may recall was the young complementarian who used to post challenges on this blog until he left in exasperation when his arguments didn’t make the grade),  he has apparently been presently himself

2010-02-09 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Womens Speaking Dishonors Men

Another common objection to women in ministry is the claim that when women speak and lead publicly it dishonors men

2010-01-25 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Two Gifts Or One

The bride of Christ has been given gifts but are teacher and pastor two gifts or one

2009-12-21 commentary Cheryl Schatz

First Christmas God Came Through Woman

While many say that women cannot receive from God something that will benefit men (as they believe that all wisdom that God has for humanity must come through the agency of a man) may I remind us today that the Wisdom of God brought God Himself into the world through a woman. The vessel that He used

2009-12-20 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Equal In Value And Worth In Whose Eyes

One of the problems with the definitions that complementarians provide  is that the definitions aren’t complete enough on the surface to reveal the underlying hierarchical nature. However, when one pushes to get the answers to some difficult questions, the picture becomes a lot clearer

2009-12-16 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Does The Husband Alone Have Divine Wisdom

In a recent CBMW blog article, John Starke recounts Richard Baxter’s instructions for the Christian family. (Richard Baxter was a 17th century Puritan)

2009-12-16 debate Cheryl Schatz

Putting Women In Their Place

The November 17, 2009 CBMW blog post by John Starke that we started to evaluate last post , is an amazing “piece of work” that exalts the 17th century writings of a Puritan named Richard Baxter who attempts to put women in their place. Starke continues to summarize Baxter’s writings:

2009-12-11 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Can A Wifes Authority Be Overruled

## Can a wife’s authority be overruled

2009-12-08 debate Cheryl Schatz

Comp Spiritual Abuse

Can complementarianism ever be considered spiritual abuse. Before we can discuss this, we need to know what spiritual abuse is

2009-11-30 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Does God Torment Women

## Is it a sin for a woman

2009-11-29 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Julie Pennington Russell Talks About The Georgia State Convention

## Julie Pennington-Russell

2009-11-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Church Led By Woman Pastor Is Forced Out Of Gbc

On November 11, 2009, the Georgia Baptist Convention adopted a policy that ended its 148-year relationship with First Baptist Church of Decatur, Georgia. According to the Associated Baptist News ,

2009-11-10 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Comp View Of 1Cor11 Mark

This post is a first. I have never before taken the writing of a complementarian and posted it on my blog

2009-11-03 debate Cheryl Schatz

God Said It

Could complementarians be wrong

2009-10-31 debate Cheryl Schatz

Women On Trial

I have just uploaded onto youtube 6 approximately 10-minute clips from my 2006 talk in Pennsylvania at the Witnesses Now for Jesus Conference. I have added the videos below

2009-10-28 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Southwestern Asserts Male Headship

## Southwestern Seminary and their policy of male headship

2009-10-16 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Do The Genders Have Different Functions

I am creating a new post to continue the great discussion that we have been having on a previous post while I am out of the country. The original discussion is on this post and since we have grown to over 240 comments, I would ask that we continue our discussions with Mark the complementarian here

2009-10-01 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Adam Rule Woman Animals

## Adam the ruler of the animals AND the woman

2009-09-30 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Neopatriarch Once Again Fails To Refute Cheryl Schatz

## Challenging my position that 1 Timothy 2:15 is a single woman

2009-09-19 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Evaluating Schatz Seaver Debate

On July 27th, 2009 Mike Seaver and I started a ten session debate on Women in Ministry where I was able to ask Mike questions on his position, he answered my questions and then we each had one response. Mike is still considering whether he will continue with another ten sessions where Mike will ask

2009-09-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Australian Conference On Women In Ministry Cheryl Schatzs Article Now Online

My article is now up on the Australian conference for the Presbyterian church. Click here to read the article and feel free to comment

2009-08-21 debate Cheryl Schatz

John Piper On Submission In Abuse

## John Piper: “What should a wife’s submission to her husband look like if he’s an abuser. ”

2009-08-19 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz Debate 6

In the last blog post Cheryl Schatz posed her third set of questions to Mike Seaver regarding their debate on women in ministry. Links to all the previous questions and responses is at the end of this post

2009-08-14 debate Cheryl Schatz

Ask John Piper Do Some Complementarians Deny Women Opportunities

## Do Some Complementarians deny women opportunities

2009-07-29 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 2

## Facing the spiritual “law” head-on from 1 Corinthians 14

2009-07-27 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Mike Seaver And Cheryl Schatz 1

## Building Bridges on the Women in Ministry debate

2009-07-24 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Jimmy Carter Leaves Sbc

## What made Jimmy Carter leave the SBC

2009-07-24 debate Cheryl Schatz

New Debate Seaver Schatz

## New debate with Mike Seaver

2009-07-22 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudem 6

This is the part 6 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open Letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his sixth question, Suzanne McCarthy’s answer and my own questions below that

2009-07-18 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudem 5

This is the part 5 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his fifth question, Suzanne McCarthy’s answer from the Greek and my own questions below that

2009-07-14 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudem 4

This is the part 4 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his fourth question, Suzanne McCarthy’s answer from the Greek and my own questions below that

2009-07-12 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudem 3

This is the part 3 of answering Wayne Grudem’s “ Open letter to Egalitarians ” and his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his third question and my own answer

2009-07-05 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudem Part 2

In my last post I copied Wayne Grudem’s “Open letter to Egalitarians”, and I listed the first question of his “Six Questions That Have Never Been Satisfactorily Answered”. Today I am posting his second question, Suzanne McCarthy’s expert Greek answer, and my own challenge after that

2009-07-04 debate Cheryl Schatz

Wayne Grudems An Open Letter To Egalitarians

In 1998 Wayne Grudem wrote “An Open Letter to Egalitarians,” and in the letter, he gave six questions that he said have never been satisfactorily answered

2009-07-03 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Womens Preaching Affirmed

I recently came across a blog article by Pastor Brian Mann who although he is a complementarian, admits that God affirms women’s preaching. Mann writes:

2009-06-15 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Semigalitariansim And Feminist Air

When does explaining God’s Word make one an enemy of the church. According to Mike Seaver, a woman who is allowed to teach the Word of God to men, even if she is under the authority of her husband and even if she has received authority from her pastor to teach the Bible (and assuming her pastor is m

2009-05-30 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Neopatriarch Fails To Refute Cheryl

Some have wondered why “Chris” the complementarian stopped posting here. Apparently, he could not get his refutation of my work to stand in an interactive forum so he moved it over to a place where he could have the floor to himself

2009-05-23 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Paul As He Pleases 9

This is the ninth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

2009-05-13 debate Cheryl Schatz

Paul Women Pastors 8

This is the eighth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

2009-05-03 debate Cheryl Schatz

7 Paul Adam Accountability

This is the seventh in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

2009-04-19 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Paul_And_Genesis

This is the sixth in a series of simulated interviews with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

2009-04-02 commentary Cheryl Schatz

5 Apostle Paul They

This post is the fifth one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

2009-03-25 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Round 4 Interview With The Apostle Paul

This post is the fourth one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day

2009-03-20 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Round 3 Interview With Paul On A Woman

This post is the third one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. Doug, a strong complementarian has been given the opportunity to ask Paul about

2009-03-19 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Round 2 Interview With Paul

This post is the second one of a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. While Paul gets to experience life in the 21st century, Doug, a strong complem

2009-03-16 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Interview With The Apostle Paul

This post will be a simulated interview with the Apostle Paul taken from the position of what he might say if we could transport Paul from the New Testament account through a time tunnel into our present day. We are interested in asking Paul his reasons for what he wrote about women and what he thin

2009-03-08 debate Cheryl Schatz

Reaching Unity In The Faith Without Authoritarian Control

The picture above represents not only the “bride” of Christ held back and controlled, but women in the “bride” of Christ held back and controlled. It is a great concern to me that there are many in the body who think that authoritarian control is needed to keep people in line and to keep the unity o

2009-02-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Adams Sin Imputed To Eve

One of the most bizarre teachings of CBMW is the one taught in Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood in chapter 3 written by Raymond C. Ortlund Jr

2009-02-02 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Adam And His Ms Organ

The creation account has been used by many as a foundation to produce myths and stories. While this post will concentrate on modern day myths, it is also helpful to understand some of the historical myths about the creation of male and female

2009-01-30 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Man Give Woman Self Understanding

Was the first man needed to give woman her self-understanding. According to Raymond C

2009-01-28 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Difference Between Male And Female

This is a quickie post because I couldn’t resist allowing my four year old grandson Isaac to teach us all some of the basics. Ready

2009-01-27 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Ortlund Obscuring The Nature Of Male And Female

In our discussion of CBMW’s book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood , continuing on in chapter 3 in the writings of Raymond C. Ortlund Jr

2009-01-24 debate Cheryl Schatz

The Emperor Has No Clothes

In the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood’s book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood , chapter 3 is written by Raymond C. Ortlund, Jr

2009-01-22 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Did The Serpent Have More Knowledge Than Man

The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood has published a book called Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood and on page 73, John Piper and Wayne Grudem write that Adam was ordained as the one responsible for the life of the garden. The reference is in response to a quote from 1 Timothy 2:14

2009-01-21 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Who Was Judge Deborah Or Barak

The story of Deborah and Barak in the book of Judges has caused many hierarchists to assign the God-given work of judge delivering the people of Israel to Barak while denying that God raised up Deborah as a deliverer. By assigning a calling to Barak that scripture never assigns, it appears that the

2009-01-15 commentary Cheryl Schatz

They Are Sinning Through Questioning

The issue of women in ministry allows us to the opportunity to ask questions about the hard passages of scripture and to work through these passages to discover God’s intended meaning through the inspired context. But in many quarters, questioning is a “sin” that will get a reprimand from a strong a

2009-01-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Was 1 Timothy 2 Written To The Church

Complementarians claim that 1 Timothy 2:12 is universally applicable because they say it was written for the church to know how to behave. According to John MacArthur, in God’s High Calling for Women part 1 , 1 Timothy was written to “set the church in order”

2008-12-01 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Do Egalitarians Twist The Scriptures

The charge is often laid that egalitarians twist the scriptures. I would like to apply a saying that I read recently

2008-11-25 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Feminization Of The Church A Modern Day Fix

There has been much talk in the last few years about the “feminization” of the church. Books have been written about this “serious” problem and many men are thoroughly disgusted with seeing men outnumbered by women in the church

2008-11-18 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Galatians 328 Is It Only About Salvation

According to complementarians, Galatians 3:28 is not about equality in Christ, but about all of us being in the same “boat” of salvation. The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) has made quite an effort to try to demolish Galatians 3:28 as a basis of spiritual equality outside of salvat

2008-11-12 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Spiritually Different By Design

CBMW (Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) puts on conferences called “Different by Design” and in these conferences  they teach that God created men and women different for different purposes

2008-11-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Daniel Wallace Requests Rewrite

In an interesting development, complementarian Dr. Daniel Wallace, professor of New Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary requests a rewrite of a blog article critiquing an article he wrote on the role of women in the church for Bible

2008-10-24 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Anne Graham Lotz And 800 Pastors Shame

CBMW relates a story told by Anne Graham Lotz in the Washington Post where Mrs Lotz writes:

2008-10-02 debate Cheryl Schatz

Recovering From Feminism Recovery

Wade Burleson has written an exceptionally thought-provoking post on the difference between one young woman’s journey through her pain (it appears to be a rejection of herself by a boyfriend) into the pathway of accepting a tradition that gives authoritarian license to males vs one young slave woman

2008-10-02 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Let Her Learnor Not

In our continuing discussion of 1 Corinthians 14:34-36, we come to the problematic area of learning

2008-09-30 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Three Spheres Of Subordination Shrinks To Two

In my last post I pointed to USA Today’s editorial that challenged complementarians who are willing to accept a woman as the Vice President of the country, that they should admit that they are full fledged egalitarians in the realm of society, the workplace and public life

2008-09-28 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Semi Egalitarians

USA Today has an editorial written by David P Gushee in which Mr. Gushee challenges complementarians that they are actually semi-egalitarians and they should be willing to openly acknowledge this

2008-09-26 debate Cheryl Schatz

Unorthodox View Trinity

Wade Burleson has blogged on the Trinity and the unorthodox trend that has come into the church that teaches an eternally subordinated Son of God in the Trinity

2008-09-25 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Are We Too Emotional

Are we really too emotional

2008-09-20 debate Cheryl Schatz

Gospel Today Magazine Pulled

A Christian magazine is treated as pornography merely for reporting on the trend of women pastors

2008-09-04 debate Cheryl Schatz

Ministry Produces Fear

Wade Burleson has produced a thought-provoking article about character assassination that comes as a result of fear. Wade writes :

2008-08-14 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Is Complementarianism Merely Personal Conviction

This post is a response to Randy Stinson’s article titled “ Is Complementarianism a Merely Personal Conviction. “

2008-07-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Eve And God

One’s world view can cause one to have presuppositions that bring set patterns of reasoning that have nothing to do with the text of scripture. One of these areas is with Eve’s relationship with God and whether God placed the man in charge of her basic knowledge

2008-06-19 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Was The Man Given Authority To Rule The Woman

This is the fifth and final response to Matt Slick’s article called Genesis 2, Adam and Eve, and Authority

2008-05-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Should Comps Debate

While there has been some genuine, respectful dialog between complementarian and egalitarian scholars, more often than not, the emotions that are brought into the dialog have brought less than respectful debate. The body of Christ is meant to fight the enemy together but when some turn their weapons

2008-05-12 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Primogeniture

In the next of Matt Slick’s articles on women in ministry that I will be reviewing is his article called Primogeniture found at Matt gives what he considers to be the meaning of primogeniture:

2008-05-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Answering Matt Slicks Agenda On 1 Timothy 2:12

This is part 2 of answering the complementarian objections of Matt Slick on 1 Timothy 2:11-15. See part one here

2008-04-25 debate Cheryl Schatz

Partriarchy

One of the key differences between an egalitarian and a patriarchal marriage is in the area of authority and will. In a patriarchal marriage, the man is set up as the final decision maker of the home and he is given the right to make a decision for his wife even if it overrules her will

2008-04-20 debate Cheryl Schatz

Hierarchical Teaching Influences The Doctrine Of The Trinity

One of the ways that hierarchical teaching has influenced the church since the 1970’s is in the area of the doctrine of the Trinity. In hierarchical teaching, the Trinity is no longer three functionally equal persons who share the same nature

2008-04-12 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Helpful Sites For Research On Egalitarian Views

I was also asked to have a place where we could list good blogs/web sites that promote godly views about women in ministry or issues of egalitarian marriage, etc. This post will be the permanent place to place links

2008-03-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Godly Complementarians And Elvis Has Left The Building

With all the hostile name-calling tactics against egalitarians rampant on the internet, godly, peace-loving complementarians may wonder what they can do in their current position to bring peace amongst the body of Christ. I am glad you asked

2008-02-01 debate Cheryl Schatz

The Bayly Brothers And The Trinity

Awhile back I was asked to consider posting a comment on a very strong complementarian blog that is known to be rather unloving towards egalitarians. This particular blog, I found, was run by two pastors of a Presbyterian church who appear to think that egalitarians do not have the right Jesus or th

2008-01-22 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Equal But Different Deteriorates To An Unequal Trinity

The term “equal but different” has become a catch phrase in marriage and “women in ministry” issues as it has replaced the pre-1970’s common view of the inferiority of women. In complementarian circles the thought is that women are equal in person but different in role

2008-01-22 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Husband As King Over The Wife

In part two of this discussion we asked whether God has ordained that a woman must have a priest in the home to represent her to God and God to her. Today we continue our discussion about whether a husband is to have the position of king over his wife in their marriage

2008-01-20 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Gods Woman Is She Needy Of A Representative Priest Part 2

In part one, ( click here to read ) we discussed whether God created the woman as needed or needy. In this continuing discussion we ask whether God has ordained that a woman must have a priest in the home to represent her to God and God to her

2008-01-04 commentary Cheryl Schatz

From Bobbed Hair Bossy Wives And Women Preachers To Woman Be Free

I am very pleased that Stan Gundry has given me permission to post his story about how he changed his view from a staunch complementarian to an egalitarian. I would also request that if you have a story about your own journey from prejudice to freedom in Christ regarding women in ministry that you e

2008-01-01 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Original Woman Needed Or Needy

The foundation of the dispute between egalitarians and complementarians is the creation account found in the book of Genesis. How each side views the creation of woman defines the view of woman throughout the rest of scripture

2007-12-07 debate Cheryl Schatz

Laying A False Argument To Rest

One of the arguments that complementarians employ against women in ministry is the argument that God only used women as prophets and leaders in the Bible when there were no men available at the time. Is this really a valid argument

2007-12-05 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Women Teaching Mens Prejudice And Gods Glory

Many complementarians have been so used to hearing what women are not allowed to do in the body of Christ rather than what scripture says women should do as followers of Christ, that the focus has become automatically set to see restrictions when the subject of women in ministry is discussed. With t

2007-11-23 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Jesus Our Example Of A Godly Husband

What is the godly way for a husband to treat his wife. Should he take authority over her and make decisions for her by going against her will

2007-11-10 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Trinity And The Womens Issue

Just a quick update to let you all know that our ministry is working on a DVD project on the Trinity. While it isn’t directly on the women’s issue, it will deal directly with the complementarian view of the Trinity and a biblical refutation of that view

2007-11-03 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Mary As Gods Kind Of Woman

In conjunction with my new series on marriage started with my previous post and the question of whether a wife is to have a man take authority over her (as if her husband is required to rule her), click here to read an excellent blog article about the best example of a New Testament “God’s kind of w

2007-09-10 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Is Pastor One Of The Spiritual Gifts

While some people consider a “Pastor” to be an office, scripture lists “Pastor” as a spiritual gift in Ephesians 4:8-11

2007-08-23 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Are Womens Gifts To Be Used Outside The Church

In my blog entry called “ Are women’s gifts secondary. ” I documented the complementarian teaching that women’s gifts are secondary to men’s gifts and that women to use their gifts outside the church

2007-08-21 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Witnessing On Worthy Boards

While I am working on the next post regarding spiritual gifts, have a look at a bulletin board where the majority of people are hierarchists. I have posted a topic on the need for two or three witnesses to establish a matter

2007-08-17 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Are Womens Gifts Secondary

Last post we referenced 1 Corinthians 12:7 teaching us that the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good of the body of Christ. But are women’s gifts somehow secondary

2007-08-16 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Are Womens Gifts For The Common Good

Today I am starting a new set of posts on the spiritual gifts which are given to each person in the body of Christ. I would like to start with 1 Corinthians 12:7

2007-08-06 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Things Biblical Feminists Do Not Believe

Today I would like to refer you to a post by Christians for Biblical Equality (CBE) called “ Some things biblical feminists do not believe “. Although I do not like the term “feminists” or “feminism” because of the connection with secular feminism that complmenetarians try to read into the term “bib

2007-07-29 debate Cheryl Schatz

Pastor Paul And Women In Ministry

Every once in awhile I link to a blog that has material that I really like. Today I want to link to a blog by Pastor Paul Burleson which has some good things about women in ministry even though Pastor Paul is “going against the flow” in the Southern Baptist Convention

2007-04-21 debate Cheryl Schatz

Freeing Sisters In The Southern Baptist Convention

Wade Burleson has a great new post on women called “ Are The Sisters Free to Function. ” It is an article written by Jon Zens

2007-03-24 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Should Cbmw Fight Egalitarians

This week CBMW (the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood) released two audio tapes from the February 2007 “Different by Design” Conference held in Minneapolis Minnesota. ( ) I was amazed at the way that the gospel was connected to the gender issue in such a way that those who do not hold to pa

2007-03-22 debate Cheryl Schatz

We Are In Our New Home

We are mostly moved into our new home and much of our time has been spent in unpacking boxes. Our living room now feels like home since six book cases of my research and bible study books have been unpacked

2007-03-08 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Is Adam The Representative Head Of The Human Race

Those who believe that God created a hierarchical relationship between men and women will usually state that God created Adam as the “federal head” of the human race. This “federal headship” is said to be not only physical in that all of humanity has its origin in Adam, but spiritual because of a di

2007-01-20 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Discrimination Of Women In The Sbc Can They Teach Men At All

I have been following a blog documenting the injustice done to Dr. Sheri Klouda a professor of Hebrew who was forced out of her teaching position at the Southern Baptist Convention’s Southwestern Theological Seminary because the new President, Paige Patterson, does not believe that women should be t

2007-01-15 commentary Cheryl Schatz

The Case Of The Battling Proof Texts Part Two

In part one, we discussed the fact that the Bible does not contradict itself so when a complementarian has a “proof text” that is used to prove that women are not allowed to teach the Bible to men, they must also deal with the apparent contradictions of this view. Here are some of the contradiction

2006-12-31 debate Cheryl Schatz

Slavery Still An Issue Today So Says The Wilderness Crier

I came across an excellent post written very tongue-in-cheek about the issue of slavery using all of the standard arguments against women teaching the bible to men. It is worth the read and the link is here

2006-12-13 debate Cheryl Schatz

Can Only Men Judge Right From Wrong In The Church

I read with interest Wayne Grudem’s claim that 1 Cor. 14:34 means that women are to “keep silent”regarding weighing of the oral prophecies in the assembly

2006-12-09 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Does God Have One Unique Law Part Three

In this part three of “Does God have one unique law. ” we will be discussing the last set of circumstances that set apart the “law” that complementarians say God made that forbids godly Christian women from teaching correct biblical doctrine to men

2006-12-07 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Does God Have One Unique Law Part Two

Complementarians have stated that God has a law that forbids godly Christian women from teaching correct biblical doctrine to men. This law, they say, is revealed in 1 Timothy 2:12

2006-11-29 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Does God Have One Unique Law Part One

If complementarians are right in their interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:12, then God must have one completely unique law. This “law” forbidding women from teaching the bible to men is not like any other law in the bible

2006-09-23 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Another Complementarian Pastor Responds

I am preparing a talk on women in ministry partly based on questions and challenges presented to me by a complementarian Pastor from a large denomination which restricts women from teaching the bible to men. Here are excerpts that he gave regarding our DVD teaching series on Women in Ministry:

2006-09-23 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Can Complementarians Agree To Disagree

I sent a copy of our DVD “Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free. ” to the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood in February of 2006 and this summer I finally received a response

2006-08-19 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Pastor Has His Eyes Opened Regarding Faulty Traditions

I recently received this email from a Southern Baptist Pastor who watched the DVD “Women in Ministry Silenced or Set Free. ” this summer:

2006-03-13 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Would Your Arguments Have Strength Without 1 Timothy 215

> Q: It also seems that 1 Timothy 2:15 is crucial for your interpretation. The word ‘she’ is a definite point in your favor

2006-03-11 commentary Cheryl Schatz

Recommendations For Wim

> Women in Ministry: Silenced or Set Free. ” as a whole is a very well produced and presented multi-media teaching series on the legitimacy and freedom of women to be in any ministry that God should call them to

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hannibal.lecture 2007-06-18T09:56:57-07:00

Cheryl, Good question and I think it’s one that deserves attention. But here’s the rub. We egalitarians are not going to change the minds of those who hold fast to tradition any more than “they” are g...

Dr. James Willingham 2010-09-06T09:18:37-07:00

John Robinson, pastor of the Pilgrims who did not get to come with them to the New World, summed up the issue well with a comment to this effect: “Who knows what new light is getting ready to break fo...

Cheryl 2007-04-28T13:27:45-07:00

Hello Dennis, Thanks for stopping by and providing your comments. You said: > “Moore does not mean (nor does anyone one else I know who uses the terms “spiritual warfare”) that this is an in-hous...

Under Much Grace 2007-07-05T19:39:56-07:00

Cheryl, Thank you for drawing attention to this escalating issue of “patriarchy” and the skewed teachings propagated by Vision Forum and for collaborating with Don Veinot. In retrospect, having grown...

Under Much Grace 2007-07-09T12:28:39-07:00

Cheryl, I am so excited to see someone else make reference to the portion of the proto evangelian as a major consideration in this issue: the enmity between the serpent and the woman because of the s...

teknomom 2007-09-20T07:04:05-07:00

As I said in the other post, Slick made a very big deal about “authority” in a “church” setting, especially “the pulpit”. The word “pulpit” or its equivalent is not found in the NT at all. Neither are...

Dusman 2007-09-20T20:49:03-07:00

Cheryl, I listened to the debate earlier today while driving and I was absolutely appalled at Matt’s behavior towards you. In spite of his adamant disagreement with your biblical egalitarianism, such...

Cheryl 2007-09-27T06:40:50-07:00

Dusman, you said: > Can a woman teach 12 year olds? 18 year olds? 21 year olds? When does it become unbiblical? Some have said when boys start getting hair under their arms. What you have said shoul...

Jason Oliver Evans 2007-09-27T20:53:35-07:00

Cheryl, I have your blog under my Firefox Bookmarks folder called “Christian Resources”. I will continue to be a reader of this blog. I believe your ministry to the Body of Christ is vital. Thank Go...

Cheryl 2007-11-02T21:03:15-07:00

Hi Greg, I did notice that CBMW doesn’t have an open forum where people can dialog. A person can email their comments, but they don’t make the comments for all to see. I am not sure what they are afr...

Greg Anderson 2007-12-08T14:31:32-07:00

I think a lot of this stuff goes back to the old “descriptive” vs “prescriptive” arguments. Wayne Grudem, who is known in some circles as “the godfather of complementarianism”, maintains that since Hu...

Jennifer 2009-01-18T00:52:49-07:00

Cheryl, Stan, Don, etc., you are amazing. For some unknown reasons, I forced myself out of fear to read some of Andreas Kostenberger’s book, “Women in the Church”. It is a mountain of patriarchy, and ...

Paula 2008-01-23T15:00:34-07:00

The church has already fallen a great distance when it can read “husband as prophet, priest, king” and not bat an eye. This is just horrible. The progression (really, regression) I’m seeing in so-cal...

Mary 2009-02-12T00:04:33-07:00

Thanks for posting that quote from Danni’s blog, Cheryl. Good for her! This Craig Coffey/”Happy Promise Keeper” has indeed established a pattern of bullying; Danni did right to name the behavior and r...

Lin 2008-02-02T14:51:13-07:00

Cheryl, I was very sorry to read Kamilla’s response. I thought your rules of engagment were very protective for her. And I agree that a public correction is the only option here. We must all test ever...

Jason Oliver 2008-02-05T17:17:28-07:00

Hi Cheryl, How’s your research going. I hope and pray it’s going well. I am familiar with the Bayly blog. Some of the posts regarding evangelical egalitarians are just plain horrific. I’ve been notic...

Cheryl 2008-02-05T20:15:38-07:00

Jason #35, Things are going well for me but very, very busy. I am still working on the Trinity DVD but distracted with legal matters with the ministry. Hopefully it will be resolved soon. > “But si...

Under Much Grace 2008-02-06T16:46:59-07:00

Well, the Baylys are an interesting breed, aren’t they? As Lin mentioned, the patriarch crowd (much like the more recent comments from Russell Moore of CBMW and SBTS) find complementarianism to be too...

Paula 2008-02-18T07:10:12-07:00

Yes, labels are a problem. If you’re not patriarchal you must be a radical feminist. If you’re not a Calvinist you must be an Arminian. If you reject evolutionism you must be against science. If you b...

lin 2008-02-18T11:48:26-07:00

“My biggest issue with the particular label “complementarianism” is, not only is it an invented word, …” What did we call it before?...