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Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, I missed your Bible references on your post. Sorry. I have been copying and pasting sections for comment and for some reason I must have been interrupted and didn’t finish reading that one post

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, Thanks for your quick response. You said: > It is important to note that the atonement is the ‘canceling’ of our debt. That is, Jesus took our sin and the punishment for our sin onto his shou

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, > Cheryl, i agree 100% with the following… > > “I believe that one must first be able to exegete the passage first and show in the context the meaning that you put on the word or sentence or ve

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, > Not true! Moses wrote this and God used him to record what God wanted recorded. It in no ways makes it deceptive. I’m sure you will realise this once you get a chance to do some research on i

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, you said: > Thankyou for your comments. A few points… you are correct that the verb to be in verse 1 is a present participle- I missed that and I’m glad you corrected me. However this does not

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > I never said i was a greek scholar…far from it. Look at your comment #354. You said: > As a greek scholar I am surprised at your comments. This is written as you claiming to be

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > People can only recieve eternal life by being reconciled in Christ. That is precisely why ‘life’ can only be ‘given’ to God’s elect, because only God’s elect have their sins ‘aton

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "The Case Against Eve"

Don, You said: > “We see examples of this truncation in Jonah, where he gives no escape clause in his warning, yet they escape;” While we do not have the words quoted from Jonah, we can know for su

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, you said: > Such far, you are failing heavily to read the context and have approached both [Eph 2:1](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1), and [Rom 6:11](logos4:///Bible/Ro 6.11) with a preconcieved ideas

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "The Case Against Eve"

Don #43, Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you.  I have had a full plate here for days 🙂 You said: > Jon 3:4  Jonah began to go into the city, going a day’s journey. And he called out, “Y

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Husband As The Priest Of The Home"

Mark, I am continually amazed at how you refuse to engage the challenge and yet you come back as if you can find another source of accusation against me now charging me with being “selective” in the

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, > Have you now changed your view from saying they couldn’t speak His name to now they could, but the full revelation of what that meant didn’t come until [Exodus 3](logos4:///Bible/Ex 3)? If so

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Adam Eve Fruit Inspectors"

bgk #54, > The carageenan in my ice cream comes from seaweed, but I don’t know if it has seeds. ![:-)](../../../../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif) Very cute!  And a mighty fine sense of h

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, > I appreciate your comments regarding [Gen 3:15](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3.15). Let me just say one final thing in case you missed it. I do agree with you that looking bcak at this verse in our pos

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Thanks for your participation Mark on our dialog on [John 6](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6). We did start with a little bit from [John 5](logos4:///Bible/Jn 5) to set the stage. You mentioned that the Jews wa

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

It is another day and we will see how much we can get through today. Mark, You said: > You said “Faith in God and receiving Jesus comes before we become children of God.” > Really Cheryl, I don’

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, To carry on with your comments: > “Yes. Permission is granted to anyone who is thirsty to come.” > > You did not answer my question. Does God ‘grant’ everyone to ‘come/believe’, yes or no. Th

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Authority Vs Submission Biblical View"

NN, Thanks for joining in the discussion so that we can work on clarification on this issue and a sense of unity in our love for the Lord Jesus and each other. > A few points are necessary to clari

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Galatians 328 Is It Only About Salvation"

John, I am thankful that you are still here.  It must mean that you are willing to try to hear us out.  Coming into a blog atmosphere where the majority believe in women’s freedom to serve without re

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Husband As The Priest Of The Home"

Hi Mark, > Thank you for clarifying your question. Now i can see what it is you are asking. Well, I am glad that you are roundabout admitting that you were the one that was not understanding, but wi

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark you said: > Now Cheryl claimed that no such ‘additional grammar’ in [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2) shows that Paul means a past condition. However in verse 2 is a very clear grammatical feature-

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > The difference between us is you think people can accept the message of salvation while dead in sin. You base this on the fact that Jesus told the pharisee’s that they did ‘good’

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > In the 2 Chronicles verse, you forgot to mention the verse before which show God intervening through the Prophet Azariah. So the same principle applies, God has to work first befo

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > So we both agree that God draws, calls, opens eyes, soften hearts all before people accept the message of Christ. But yet i guess we still disagree that faith is a gift. I’m quite

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, you said: > Thanks for the replies. I want comment extensively until you finish dealing with the exegetical issues i have raised in [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2). Well thanks a bunch. That sh

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Gazza, You said: > The [Romans 6](logos4:///Bible/Ro 6) passage dosn’t actually say anyone is dead now rather that the believers should “count themselves dead to sin” Paul then explains what being

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Authority Vs Submission Biblical View"

NN, You said: > To reiterate – we are agreed that Christ (in human form) had authority and that Christ now has authority – in fact All authority (irregardless of its origin). May I rewrite this to

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, you said: > But from the context of [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2) it is clear that the present particple is not used as a continual state of being, but as an emphatic remark to show us (and yo

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Adam Eve Fruit Inspectors"

bgk, > Cheryl, you put up a straw man.  I did not say God gives permission and then withdraws it.  I said God can make exceptions and that not all exceptions are necessarily recorded in every place.

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Why Was Eve Punished"

Mark, You said: > When have i said that ‘ha’adam’ has to ‘always’ mean more than one person. You have assumed this about me. But i have clearly said semantically that it ‘can’ mean more than one pe

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark you said: > You can give your interpretation of a passage and that is fine, but do not mishandle how the greek can actually function in a given context. To do so is not a good thing to do. I ha

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Wayne Grudem Part 2"

Mark #35, I am behind at least a day in my responses so I will be working backwards through the comments. You said: > My wife and i have no decided that i make the final call because i am a better

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Authority Vs Submission Ephesians 522 Continuing Comments"

Mark, You asked regarding Ryan’s comments: > In what way is the husband the source of his wife? What does that mean from the context? Then in what way does that parallel the Church and Christ? The

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "What Does 1 Timothy 211 15 Mean"

Dear Captain Planet (cool name!) I agree that most egalitarians do not preach on the hard passages of Scripture like [1 Timothy 2:12-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12-15) but I am different. Here is why.

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "1 Timothy 215 Going Deeper"

#230 Craig, You said: > One of the staff at my church said egals use a “different hermeneutic”. I have often heard comps say it is a “liberal hermeneutic”. I don’t really understand what they mean,

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Asking Right Questions"

Lin, You asked: > Really, we are seeing more of this from other Christians than we are from the secular world: Name calling, hate, sarcasm, lording it over, deception, lying, etc. All of this to adv

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > Now about being a child of God. I have agreed with you that we are children of God once we believe. However like I said [Romans 8](logos4:///Bible/Ro 8) and [Eph 1](logos4:///Bibl

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

> Again [1 Cor 14](logos4:///Bible/1Co 14) and 1 Tim are church gatherings. What you and others here are classifying as church are not what Paul is discussing. If you can disprove this please do? The

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, > I think you were a bit sneaky though now saying Eve was somehow like Mary after Jesus return being revealed something special- or being trusted or what ever you were trying to say there. Inte

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, > I can’t see how your view is any different to Greg’s really. You say we are born with a sinful nature, yet you say that we have the ability to not sin. Since Greg doesn’t believe that we hav

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark you said: > I agree with you that people cannot come to God because they do not love Him. But I guess the difference is because I believe that unregenerate people are unable ([Rom 8:6-7](logos4:

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > Let me see if I understand your view. > 1. Jesus draws every single person in the world to himself > 2. But not everyone comes to the Father > 3. Those who come to the Fathe

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "The Path Of The Last Adam"

Mark, Sorry about being so slow in answering. I am really stretched thin right now so I can’t be as prompt as I would like. > The issue is whether Adam had a responsibility that Eve did not. Accord

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Adam And His Ms Organ"

#36 Cindy K, > And I’m glad you’re catching up and specifically said so, as I had a tiny twinge of concern that I might have shut down the discussion, (even though I found that unlikely). If you wer

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Wayne Grudem 3"

Mark, Again there is a huge difference between attacking a person or disputing and refuting their position. This blog is about giving a reason for the hope that is within us that allows women to fre

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Does God Torment Women"

Jim, I would like to give you a special welcome to my blog. I think that it is a very brave thing for you to comment on this blog after silently following the blog for some time. Kudos to you! I thi

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "The Elusive Law"

I have seen some blogs/web sites/discussion boards that claim to be Christian and they delight in abusing those who do not believe the same way as they do on secondary issues.  I am thoroughly amazed

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "1 Peter 3 6 Obey"

#67 Lin, > Besides the obvious biological differences, what characteristics do you see as different by Design? Where are they listed? I don’t see any characteristic as belonging just to one gender.

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Paul_And_Genesis"

Don, > I see part of the reason for differences is that the origins narratives do not say everything we might wish them to say, so people fill in the gaps in different ways. God has given us everyth

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Wayne Grudem Part 2"

#24 Mark, > Cheryl i cant help but feel that you base the comp position on yours and others experience, rather than the bible. That’s because I don’t see the position in the Bible. The only thing I

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, You asked: > Now video 5, > Who exactly is the prosecution- JW or CBMW or both? “Human tradition” is the real prosecution with the JW brand of tradition contributing all of the charges exc

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, It looks like you and I are online at the same time for once. Welcome buddy! I am going to answer your last set of questions now and catch up on the others just because you are here…now. You

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > “Where does the Bible say that Cornelius was born again before he heard the gospel?” > > You can’t keep copping out and saying everything is human tradition Cheryl, it’s hardly co

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark, You said: > I agree that God is rich in mercy- none of us deserve to be saved, we have all fallen short of the glory of God have we not? But still only a limited number of people are saved. E

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, > so essentially you are saying that the command we have recorded given to Adam by God doesn’t really count, because at some other time which is not recorded, God gave them both another command

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Anon y mous, Welcome to my blog and to this conversation! You said: > We didn’t all sin “in” Adam. Death spread to all men because all sinned. Adam, whose name means humanity, is the archetype for

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Paul Women Pastors 8"

Don #7, It is a “tradition” because it is proper word usage within the text. If this “tradition” is not correct, then it must be shown why it is not correct. Just saying that it is incorrect and tha

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Sin Nature Through Man"

Mark you said: > Also justification is only by faith is it not? Now I’m sure you do not believe that all people have faith in Christ, so therefore how can you say that all men are justified. This is

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Paul_And_Genesis"

Don, > As I stated, one sees the polemic in [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1) in contrast to the other polytheistic origins stories. I don’t know about the other polytheistic origin stories. What I was

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "1 Peter 3 6 Obey"

#6 gengwall, > I also agree with truthseeker that “unbelieving” may have a broader idea in mind, and that is of any husband whose behavior is “unscrupulous, unfair or dishonest”, whether he is a Chri

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Neopatriarch Once Again Fails To Refute Cheryl Schatz"

@163 Kristen, You said: > But I still have some questions. First, are there any articles in Koine Greek equivalent to the English “this” or “that”? Yes. Houtos means **this** and you can find this

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Repost Authority Vs Submission A Biblical View Of Ephesians 522"

NN, Your main confusion appears to be in your insistence that Christ as a “being” without identifying that He has two natures. > 1) Would you agree that the being called Jesus existed in eternity p

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "The Husband As King Over The Wife"

#62 Happy Promise Keeper said: > The Bible shows a clear difference between giftedness and authorization. Spiritual giftedness in a Christian woman does not confer upon her authority to lead and teac

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "1 Peter 3 6 Obey"

Craig, Thanks for your questions. Under question #1: The Greek term asthenes can refer to weak or powerless. The grammar is “comparative” which doesn’t mean that this is her essence, but in compar

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "1 Timothy 215 Going Deeper"

Going back to @Mark #41, you said: > Where your exegesis becomes troublesome is when you appeal that the ‘they’ is husband and wife, since then it inevitably means that the future salvation of the wi

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Eve Usurped Adam Authority"

Jessica, Welcome to my blog! I always appreciate when complementarians are willing to dialog. > For me, it isn’t so much that Eve usurped Adam’s authority, but she denied the goodness of God. The s

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Women On Trial"

Mark, I am not even convinced that you understand the Hebrew scholar correctly. Is he really stating that men have taken the liberty to add things to God’s word and God was fine with that? The first

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Authority Vs Submission Ephesians 522 Continuing Comments"

Craig, I value your questions and I think that others do as well. The difference between you and some others who come here is that you appear to be genuinely interested in seeing both sides and you

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Eph 5 22 Post 3"

Mark, Can you provide me with another email address so I can get the answers to your personal challenges sent to you. Or should I assume that you don’t care to hear answers on the other subject (out

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Galatians 328 Is It Only About Salvation"

John, Welcome!  Thanks for your comments. You asked: > I am just absolutely stunned! I dont know how you can attribute that passage to “Judaizers”! The Judaizers were a problem in many of the Gent

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Semigalitariansim And Feminist Air"

#64 truthseeker, > She cannot logically be Eve, the ’saved’ cannot mean original salvation, so childbirth taking the meaning of ‘being raised up in the faith’ makes the most sense. In Paul’s epistle

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Galatians 328 Is It Only About Salvation"

I would also like to comment on John’s quote: “A person who pushes for equality in the Church to their own benefit is doing it from their own flesh and not from a pure heart.” I agree with what Lin

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me"

Benjamin, I will go back to your first post. My question was “Can you show a single Scripture that shows a God-hater is given to Jesus?” You gave [Ephesians 2:1-10](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1-10), and th

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Authority Vs Submission Biblical View"

Mark, It is quite like you to ask questions instead of answer them. You may not mean it this way, but it comes across as being evasive. I was going to answer once again when I see pinklight has jus

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Did God Give Up On The Woman"

#46 Charis, > I feel frustrated at having to keep repeating myself. I am truly sorry for your frustration. I personally do not mean to offend you in any way and I can also sense your frustration. I

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Neopatriarch Once Again Fails To Refute Cheryl Schatz"

gengwall, You said: > I think you are overly concerned about a supposed connection of the “women” of vs. 10 and a generic woman in vs. 11. Actually I do see a connection between the two. The godly

Scripture Commentary comment Cheryl Schatz on "Neopatriarch Fails To Refute Cheryl"

Thanks for all your good comments. It is an interesting thing that Neopatriarch posts on the CCC forum under the name “statisticallyodd”. That forum has decided that I need the gospel preached to me