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Ok, getting back to answering Mark. Several of his paragraphs subsequent to the ones I have already addressed are expansions on the same issues. So I’m going to comment only on the ones that are left

Mark, I missed your Bible references on your post. Sorry. I have been copying and pasting sections for comment and for some reason I must have been interrupted and didn’t finish reading that one post

I just got an email from Mark B. I will put material from my email to him in quotation marks, and Mark’s thoughts and reflections in normal font. Sorry again for the length. Hi Craig,   Sorry thi

Mark, Thanks for your quick response. You said: > It is important to note that the atonement is the ‘canceling’ of our debt. That is, Jesus took our sin and the punishment for our sin onto his shou

Mark, > Cheryl, i agree 100% with the following… > > “I believe that one must first be able to exegete the passage first and show in the context the meaning that you put on the word or sentence or ve

Cheryl, There are a number of problems with the complementarian interpretation of [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1)-3 that you and the others have pointed out. In the comments and observations that foll

Mark, > Not true! Moses wrote this and God used him to record what God wanted recorded. It in no ways makes it deceptive. I’m sure you will realise this once you get a chance to do some research on i

Mark, you said: > Thankyou for your comments. A few points… you are correct that the verb to be in verse 1 is a present participle- I missed that and I’m glad you corrected me. However this does not

Mark, You said: > I never said i was a greek scholar…far from it. Look at your comment #354. You said: > As a greek scholar I am surprised at your comments. This is written as you claiming to be

Cheryl, “So why is it that God did not take the complete payment of Jesus at the cross and put it to your account at the time that Jesus died? Was His payment not full and complete at that time?” Le

Mark, You said: > People can only recieve eternal life by being reconciled in Christ. That is precisely why ‘life’ can only be ‘given’ to God’s elect, because only God’s elect have their sins ‘aton

Hi Kristen, Sorry to hear you are not well. I hope you are feeling better soon. I wasn’t going to post this just yet until we finished more of the subject at hand, but just in case you do get a ch

Don, You said: > “We see examples of this truncation in Jonah, where he gives no escape clause in his warning, yet they escape;” While we do not have the words quoted from Jonah, we can know for su

Mark, you said: > Such far, you are failing heavily to read the context and have approached both [Eph 2:1](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1), and [Rom 6:11](logos4:///Bible/Ro 6.11) with a preconcieved ideas

Kay, I tried posting my comments on Mike’s site a second time, and if I read the message that popped up, I think it went through but will be posted later. And I think your are correct in your assessm

Don #43, Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you.  I have had a full plate here for days 🙂 You said: > Jon 3:4  Jonah began to go into the city, going a day’s journey. And he called out, “Y

TL, I think you are right. And it is interesting that the Free Methodists, who broke away from the Methodists over slavery in 1860 (since the Methodist church refused to speak against it) were the fir

Cheryl, I listened to the debate earlier today while driving and I was absolutely appalled at Matt’s behavior towards you. In spite of his adamant disagreement with your biblical egalitarianism, such

Ok — here is my response to the first of Mark’s points that I said I was going to respond to. His words are in bold, followed by mine. **My point is that both the Jewish (missed by Kristen when she

Mark, I apologize for the terseness of my previous comment. It was addressed more to Cheryl, Dave, Lin, and Kay who know me better than you do, and who understand where I am coming from. For on both C

Mark, I am continually amazed at how you refuse to engage the challenge and yet you come back as if you can find another source of accusation against me now charging me with being “selective” in the

Mark, > Have you now changed your view from saying they couldn’t speak His name to now they could, but the full revelation of what that meant didn’t come until [Exodus 3](logos4:///Bible/Ex 3)? If so

bgk #54, > The carageenan in my ice cream comes from seaweed, but I don’t know if it has seeds.  Very cute!  And a mighty fine sense of h

I have read Payne’s book and I think there are some misunderstanding about his arguments he[re. 1](logos4:///Bible/Re 1). Payne says that the present INDICATIVE form of “I am not permitting” is what

Cheryl, First I will respond to some of your comments regarding the nature of the atonement and after that I will move on to your last two lots of exegetical points. “You keep saying that only a spe

Mark, > I appreciate your comments regarding [Gen 3:15](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3.15). Let me just say one final thing in case you missed it. I do agree with you that looking bcak at this verse in our pos

Hi Cheryl, I realize this is an old post and I’m dragging it back out, but I’m doing research for a study of [1 Cor 11:1-16](logos4:///Bible/1Co 11.1-16) and I’m a little confused about something you

Thanks for your participation Mark on our dialog on [John 6](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6). We did start with a little bit from [John 5](logos4:///Bible/Jn 5) to set the stage. You mentioned that the Jews wa

Cheryl, The kingdom of God/Heaven is the same thing, but just expressed differently, so although the term ‘heaven’ is used it is still the kingdom of God. And please don’t give the impression that I

1. “No. [Romans 1:18](logos4:///Bible/Ro 1.18) doesn’t say that all men suppress the truth. But the passage says that those who deliberately suppress the truth, God gives them up. Here is a descriptio

“Here we see clearly that Jacob is chosen unconditionally before they were born. Paul is very precise to include that it is not ‘because of works’. So your hypothesis that God chose the Israelites (Ja

It is another day and we will see how much we can get through today. Mark, You said: > You said “Faith in God and receiving Jesus comes before we become children of God.” > Really Cheryl, I don’

Cheryl, I understand that you believe in a sin nature from Adam and Greg does not, but the logical conclusion of what you are saying leads to the same path. You say we have the ability as unregenerat

Mark, To carry on with your comments: > “Yes. Permission is granted to anyone who is thirsty to come.” > > You did not answer my question. Does God ‘grant’ everyone to ‘come/believe’, yes or no. Th

NN, Thanks for joining in the discussion so that we can work on clarification on this issue and a sense of unity in our love for the Lord Jesus and each other. > A few points are necessary to clari

Oh Mark, I just love it when you comps write like this! I know you are a smart guy, you just have swallowed a bit too much of the comps’ cool aid (isn’t this American saying an interesting way of putt

Diane Sellner posted “En Hakkore’s” “refutation” of me on CARM and here is my answer: > Originally Posted by Diane S (Quoting “En Hakkore”) > “Firstly, you baited with the name Bergen for three pos

John, I am thankful that you are still here.  It must mean that you are willing to try to hear us out.  Coming into a blog atmosphere where the majority believe in women’s freedom to serve without re

Hi Mark, > Thank you for clarifying your question. Now i can see what it is you are asking. Well, I am glad that you are roundabout admitting that you were the one that was not understanding, but wi

“2. It was never used in relation between PEOPLE without the notion of authority.” Wrong! [1 Corinthians 12:21](logos4:///Bible/1Co 12.21). Head is used metaphorically to represent one person in the

Mark, Honestly, I didn’t know whether to laugh or to cry over your reply…that wasn’t the only point of agreement we had. Here are our quotes side by side: ————- Mark – “Yes the Edomites were ‘ha

Mark you said: > Now Cheryl claimed that no such ‘additional grammar’ in [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2) shows that Paul means a past condition. However in verse 2 is a very clear grammatical feature-

Hi Cheryl, Thankyou for your comments. A few points… you are correct that the verb to be in verse 1 is a present participle- I missed that and I’m glad you corrected me. However this does not change

Mark, You said: > The difference between us is you think people can accept the message of salvation while dead in sin. You base this on the fact that Jesus told the pharisee’s that they did ‘good’

Hi everyone, I sent Kristen’s comments @136-140 (amended as requested) to Mark yesterday. I also sent some comments of my own to Mark, which I have posted below. If you see anything where you feel m

Mark, You said: > In the 2 Chronicles verse, you forgot to mention the verse before which show God intervening through the Prophet Azariah. So the same principle applies, God has to work first befo

Mark, You said: > So we both agree that God draws, calls, opens eyes, soften hearts all before people accept the message of Christ. But yet i guess we still disagree that faith is a gift. I’m quite

Mark, you said: > Thanks for the replies. I want comment extensively until you finish dealing with the exegetical issues i have raised in [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2). Well thanks a bunch. That sh

Gazza, You said: > The [Romans 6](logos4:///Bible/Ro 6) passage dosn’t actually say anyone is dead now rather that the believers should “count themselves dead to sin” Paul then explains what being

Dear Zach, Amen to Cheryl’s response to you. 1) You seem to think the Bible establishes a power structure where one group (males) is given, by God, the right to have power over another group (femal

Craig, Whats the evidence that women struggle more with that or at least did in Paul’s time? Why can it not just be what it says…simply a qualification that applies to women or wives? This is the h

NN, You said: > To reiterate – we are agreed that Christ (in human form) had authority and that Christ now has authority – in fact All authority (irregardless of its origin). May I rewrite this to

Cheryl, I’m a little perplexed with you. As a greek scholar you are being totally unfaithful to how the greek language functions. I have agreed with you that the present indicate can have a linear fu

Ok, finally getting back to this: NN said: “Let us apply the reasoning which you just outlined to a parallel passage of scripture, we’ll pick 1st Peter: [1 Pet 2:13](logos4:///Bible/1Pe 2.13) ~

Dave, I appreciate both your and Kay’s comments and suggestions on my last comment. Right now, I am expanding and editing my comments on [Colossians 3:15-17](logos4:///Bible/Col 3.15-17), as suggested

>”God has placed us all under sin so that we would all be in a position to have faith in Him instead of earning our way to God.””My friend, let me say it this way. If Jesus was born with the same natu

Cheryl, I will answer your question which is ” How can your sins have been forgiven by the atonement of Christ yet you were still called a sinner and in need of being regenerated because of your sin?

Mark, you said: > But from the context of [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2) it is clear that the present particple is not used as a continual state of being, but as an emphatic remark to show us (and yo

Hi Lin, I’ll see what I can do. What the French prefer is completely irrelevant to what the apostles wrote in Greek. Two completely different cultures and languages. And *tis* can be either masc. or

Kay About [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2). Look again at what we are predestined for. It is not simply that the way to salvation is predestined (as Arminius taught) but us. We are chosen in Christ be

I simply can’t hold back any more. Sorry for the length but this simply must be resolved. Below is a breakdown I did some time ago on the use of *kephale* in the NT. I present this as textual proof th

On a previous thread, I referred to an audio download from Walter Martin that I had listened to that day: <http://www.spiritwatch.org/cultrise79.ram> I’m amazed at how much of what he said stuck wi

Charis, No you are not going to be disowned here. It is my desire that this blog will always be a loving community. One way to show love and community is to show acceptance. Another important way to

bgk, > Cheryl, you put up a straw man.  I did not say God gives permission and then withdraws it.  I said God can make exceptions and that not all exceptions are necessarily recorded in every place.

Mark, You said: > When have i said that ‘ha’adam’ has to ‘always’ mean more than one person. You have assumed this about me. But i have clearly said semantically that it ‘can’ mean more than one pe

Now, I hope the readers of my “little treatise” on the Trinity and the Subordinationist use of [1 Corinthians 11:3](logos4:///Bible/1Co 11.3), which I began in Comment #280, will carefully note and re

“Also the doctrine of predestination (unconditional) also emphasises God’s grace. Nothing we do or can do will save us. It is merely according to God’s pleasure and will that some are saved. [Rom 9:

What do I think? I think you are right.  I think that [Genesis 2](logos4:///Bible/Ge 2) and 3 makes Eve out to be the first apologist (one who gives an account of their reasoning for faith in God).

Dave, I’m still not following with the commandments line? I’m not sure what you are trying to say in regards to Genesis. Cheryl, I appreciate your lengthy resposes and i also appreciate your will

Cheryl “So the $64,000 dollar question is why did God inspire [Ephesians 2:1](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1) in the present tense and not the imperfect tense which would show a past state? If we believe th

Now video 5, Who exactly is the prosecution- JW or CBMW or both? That’s a side interest. Now the first thing to note is in [Acts 18](logos4:///Bible/Ac 18) it is ‘they’ who explain to Apollos. I’m

Mark you said: > You can give your interpretation of a passage and that is fine, but do not mishandle how the greek can actually function in a given context. To do so is not a good thing to do. I ha

I’m glad the focus will be on [1 Tim. 2](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2), because Dr. Nyland’s notes for this book are available for free at [This Link](http://www.godswordtowomen.org/studies/resources/Source/

Mark #35, I am behind at least a day in my responses so I will be working backwards through the comments. You said: > My wife and i have no decided that i make the final call because i am a better

Mark, You asked regarding Ryan’s comments: > In what way is the husband the source of his wife? What does that mean from the context? Then in what way does that parallel the Church and Christ? The

Dear Captain Planet (cool name!) I agree that most egalitarians do not preach on the hard passages of Scripture like [1 Timothy 2:12-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12-15) but I am different. Here is why.

#230 Craig, You said: > One of the staff at my church said egals use a “different hermeneutic”. I have often heard comps say it is a “liberal hermeneutic”. I don’t really understand what they mean,

Well, Cheryl, I think you are doing a good job in accurately explaining what the Scriptures actually teach about women teaching and preaching, while pointing out the contradictions in his own position

Mark you wrote: “I’m interested to hear how you believe you have answered Grudem’s challenge. Can you explain how [James 4:4-10](logos4:///Bible/Jas 4.4-10) is reciprocal submission with no authority?

The egalitarian’s real issue, I believe, is one of the heart and its unwillingness to take God’s word regarding the woman’s subjection as literal. How do you square the passage in [1 Timothy 2:11-14](

Lin, You asked: > Really, we are seeing more of this from other Christians than we are from the secular world: Name calling, hate, sarcasm, lording it over, deception, lying, etc. All of this to adv

Mark, You said: > Now about being a child of God. I have agreed with you that we are children of God once we believe. However like I said [Romans 8](logos4:///Bible/Ro 8) and [Eph 1](logos4:///Bibl

Donna, Regarding your “questions” regarding the subordination of the Son: > 1. If one person willingly submits his will to that of another person because they are of one will in the first place, is

> Again [1 Cor 14](logos4:///Bible/1Co 14) and 1 Tim are church gatherings. What you and others here are classifying as church are not what Paul is discussing. If you can disprove this please do? The

Michael: Regarding your post #2 on the length of days. You said “The seventh day has not ended. Is Hebrews in error when it suggests the seven day was not 24 hours?†I understand and I think most

Pinklight, I think people often keep and defend traditions that agree with their personal desires, like in this case, for male power and privilege in a world that is shifting from male-dominance to f

Wow, we are up to comment 55 and still haven’t begun looking at the text! You are correct in assuming that i haven’t read or know alot of what Wayne Grudem has written. In fact i have a book on the

Mark, > I think you were a bit sneaky though now saying Eve was somehow like Mary after Jesus return being revealed something special- or being trusted or what ever you were trying to say there. Inte

Mark, > I can’t see how your view is any different to Greg’s really. You say we are born with a sinful nature, yet you say that we have the ability to not sin. Since Greg doesn’t believe that we hav

Mark you said: > I agree with you that people cannot come to God because they do not love Him. But I guess the difference is because I believe that unregenerate people are unable ([Rom 8:6-7](logos4:

Mark, You said: > Let me see if I understand your view. > 1. Jesus draws every single person in the world to himself > 2. But not everyone comes to the Father > 3. Those who come to the Fathe

Mark, Sorry about being so slow in answering. I am really stretched thin right now so I can’t be as prompt as I would like. > The issue is whether Adam had a responsibility that Eve did not. Accord

It is interesting that Diane Sellner keeps repeating that “En” has refuted me regarding Dr. Buth’s work on the Hebrew grammar that proves that [Genesis 2](logos4:///Bible/Ge 2) has the animals and the

#36 Cindy K, > And I’m glad you’re catching up and specifically said so, as I had a tiny twinge of concern that I might have shut down the discussion, (even though I found that unlikely). If you wer

Mark, Again there is a huge difference between attacking a person or disputing and refuting their position. This blog is about giving a reason for the hope that is within us that allows women to fre

Mark, Now we see why you write things like: “They want to hold onto God working, but equally hold onto autonomous free will.” and then Cheryl has to explain with: “The classical Arminian positi

Ladies, ladies, please relax, calm out, and enjoy some peace, and let me be mad, annoyed, cross, vexed, irritated, indignant, irked, furious, enraged, infuriated instead. { ; o ) Pastors? Hmmm? D

This week’s column is written by Megan Greulich, editor of Mutuality magazine. A prominent sociologist on evangelicals, Sally Gallagher, published a fascinating study on evangelicals, “The Marginaliza

Jim, I would like to give you a special welcome to my blog. I think that it is a very brave thing for you to comment on this blog after silently following the blog for some time. Kudos to you! I thi

Hi Cheryl, You asked me as one of your hard questions “Do you or do you not believe that [Ephesians 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11) gives “teacher” as a gift for the body of Christ?” The short answe

Matt Slick has answered my request for a written debate by posting this on his discussion board: > I am in the midst of two debates right now, prepping, etc. and I find out that “a woman” has said I

Mark, Let’s talk about context, context, context for [1 Timothy 5](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 5). Does your church congregation/denomination “Let a widow be enrolled if she is not less than sixty years of a

Regarding Matt’s comments on the Greek word for teach which is didasko, Matt was trying to say that because the word for teach used in this passage is a normal word for teach not one specifically for

I have seen some blogs/web sites/discussion boards that claim to be Christian and they delight in abusing those who do not believe the same way as they do on secondary issues.  I am thoroughly amazed

Mark said > It still raises the question I asked you earlier in this context. There is a parallel here between husbands and the Lord. If the submission to Christ that the Church offers is without aut

Kristen, “You are not submitting to “one another” but only to “some others.” That’s right, because I’m not going to submit to the 12 year old youth kid in the same way I would to my pastor. It is il

Mark, One more thing – “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before

Cheryl, will you please delete my first post and replace it with this one? Thanks. Mike, you said,” The [1 Corinthians 14](logos4:///Bible/1Co 14) passage has to do with the corporate worship setting

Mark, I believe the surrender required by mutual submission is so radical in its demands that it causes “wife/obedience to husband/authority” to pale by comparison. The beauty can be seen in Jesus ex

Hi Martin, Dave Hunt is a very good apologist in my opinion. We will attending his conference this summer and then I will get to meet him in person. As far as Sandy Simpson and his DVD – yes there w

#67 Lin, > Besides the obvious biological differences, what characteristics do you see as different by Design? Where are they listed? I don’t see any characteristic as belonging just to one gender.

Don, > I see part of the reason for differences is that the origins narratives do not say everything we might wish them to say, so people fill in the gaps in different ways. God has given us everyth

#24 Mark, > Cheryl i cant help but feel that you base the comp position on yours and others experience, rather than the bible. That’s because I don’t see the position in the Bible. The only thing I

Hi Michael, I am not a young earth type per se, because I just want the truth of God’s word and whatever that is, is good with me. I have looked at Hugh Ross’ material and I have seen his debates

Mark, You asked: > Now video 5, > Who exactly is the prosecution- JW or CBMW or both? “Human tradition” is the real prosecution with the JW brand of tradition contributing all of the charges exc

Mark, It looks like you and I are online at the same time for once. Welcome buddy! I am going to answer your last set of questions now and catch up on the others just because you are here…now. You

Cheryl, Thanks for your answers. A few more comments. 1. First off- good on you for correcting my wrong biblical quote, sorry about that. However I can’t see in [Num 14](logos4:///Bible/Nu 14) how t

Mark, You said: > “Where does the Bible say that Cornelius was born again before he heard the gospel?” > > You can’t keep copping out and saying everything is human tradition Cheryl, it’s hardly co

Mark, You said: > I agree that God is rich in mercy- none of us deserve to be saved, we have all fallen short of the glory of God have we not? But still only a limited number of people are saved. E

#54 Lin, Regarding [1 Timothy 3:12](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 3.12), the quote you gave from the person who said this could not be about polygamy is not following what has been an historical interpretatio

Mark, > so essentially you are saying that the command we have recorded given to Adam by God doesn’t really count, because at some other time which is not recorded, God gave them both another command

Anon y mous, Welcome to my blog and to this conversation! You said: > We didn’t all sin “in” Adam. Death spread to all men because all sinned. Adam, whose name means humanity, is the archetype for

Don #7, It is a “tradition” because it is proper word usage within the text. If this “tradition” is not correct, then it must be shown why it is not correct. Just saying that it is incorrect and tha

Mark you said: > Also justification is only by faith is it not? Now I’m sure you do not believe that all people have faith in Christ, so therefore how can you say that all men are justified. This is

To Grant and Cheryl Here’s what I wrote: ‘I will list several reasons why men who’ve “held the reigns” in today’s churches have turned them into Satan’s paradise. They who believe that it is God th

NN (214): “If interested for gmail chat ingarandur[AT]gmail[DOT]com – it is so much quicker to figure out where the common ground is for a starting point in the discussion that way, and easier to st

Don, > As I stated, one sees the polemic in [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1) in contrast to the other polytheistic origins stories. I don’t know about the other polytheistic origin stories. What I was

#6 gengwall, > I also agree with truthseeker that “unbelieving” may have a broader idea in mind, and that is of any husband whose behavior is “unscrupulous, unfair or dishonest”, whether he is a Chri

@163 Kristen, You said: > But I still have some questions. First, are there any articles in Koine Greek equivalent to the English “this” or “that”? Yes. Houtos means **this** and you can find this

I LOVE Lists! > 1. Where in [Gen 3](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3) does it say Adam ‘intentionally’ sinned. He is charged for ‘listening’ to his wife. This is ‘read into’. I think we have a symantic disagree

NN, Your main confusion appears to be in your insistence that Christ as a “being” without identifying that He has two natures. > 1) Would you agree that the being called Jesus existed in eternity p

#62 Happy Promise Keeper said: > The Bible shows a clear difference between giftedness and authorization. Spiritual giftedness in a Christian woman does not confer upon her authority to lead and teac

Hi Cheryl I would have thought the usage of the present text in [Romans 6:11](logos4:///Bible/Ro 6.11) is exactly in line with what I was saying about [Eph 2:5](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.5). In the Roma

Well, Cheryl, as some of my CBE friends will tell, I see my sharing of “the big picture” as a means of engaging in what Carolyn James describes, in The Gospel of Ruth: Loving God Enough To Break The R

Craig, Thanks for your questions. Under question #1: The Greek term asthenes can refer to weak or powerless. The grammar is “comparative” which doesn’t mean that this is her essence, but in compar

Dave (19) Mark and TL Not going to quote all of you in the interest of time. TL keeps saying hupotasso is voluntarily arranging under someone else. Mark has given us the definition from BAGD- “subor

Well, Cheryl, I’m sorry to learn that Chris, when he couldn’t defeat you on the “home field,” had to make a playing field of his own, where he plays against “straw women and straw men,” which are noth

Going back to @Mark #41, you said: > Where your exegesis becomes troublesome is when you appeal that the ‘they’ is husband and wife, since then it inevitably means that the future salvation of the wi

Jessica, Welcome to my blog! I always appreciate when complementarians are willing to dialog. > For me, it isn’t so much that Eve usurped Adam’s authority, but she denied the goodness of God. The s

Don, Your statement is beautiful.  I really don’t understand the “my way or the highway” approach to some of these matters that some camps hold, and it applies to a great many different doctrines, no

Mark, I am not even convinced that you understand the Hebrew scholar correctly. Is he really stating that men have taken the liberty to add things to God’s word and God was fine with that? The first

Now that I’m back home and on my own little computer, I can finish my comment. (I was at the library, doing job hunting research, having been umemployed for some time). As I was saying, Gordon Fee exp

Craig, I value your questions and I think that others do as well. The difference between you and some others who come here is that you appear to be genuinely interested in seeing both sides and you

Cheryl, I hate to say it, but it seems to me that as long as [1 Timothy 2:12](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12) is understood by Mike as meaning that Paul prohibits the proper exercise of teaching authority,

Th[is 1985](logos4:///Bible/Is 1985) paper by Harold Bussell (which I found through the link at Cindy’s post on [evangelical Christians’ vulnerability to cults](http://undermuchgrace.blogspot.com/2008

Cheryl and et al., I pray that Jesus guides each word I am about to write, because it is important for me to miss anything. I do talk to Jesus all the time and today He and I have been going over a l

Kephale God doesn’t base His word on pagan meanings, though they may be good for a ball park understanding. Usage must fit the heart and context of scriptures. Two things we must understand about kep

CLC This is how I’m seeing it now. I do reserve the right to be wrong. I’ve changed my mind a few times after I knew I really knew it all. ;o) We are warned that some will preach another Jesus.

@A. Amos Love Nice. Very insightful. It is foolish to be quibbling about who should and should not be a leader when we are all called to be disciples with one Leader. Though…., it is a worthy cause

Mark, Can you provide me with another email address so I can get the answers to your personal challenges sent to you. Or should I assume that you don’t care to hear answers on the other subject (out

John, Welcome!  Thanks for your comments. You asked: > I am just absolutely stunned! I dont know how you can attribute that passage to “Judaizers”! The Judaizers were a problem in many of the Gent

#64 truthseeker, > She cannot logically be Eve, the ’saved’ cannot mean original salvation, so childbirth taking the meaning of ‘being raised up in the faith’ makes the most sense. In Paul’s epistle

Guys, As you listen to the audio from last night’s debate remember one thing…I asked to share why I believed that “a woman” was a particular woman and not “all women” and Matt refused to allow me to

I would also like to comment on John’s quote: “A person who pushes for equality in the Church to their own benefit is doing it from their own flesh and not from a pure heart.” I agree with what Lin

Benjamin, I will go back to your first post. My question was “Can you show a single Scripture that shows a God-hater is given to Jesus?” You gave [Ephesians 2:1-10](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1-10), and th

Mark, It is quite like you to ask questions instead of answer them. You may not mean it this way, but it comes across as being evasive. I was going to answer once again when I see pinklight has jus

Re Cheryl #63 & #76 1) When I argued that humankind also has the ability to fulfill the law of Christ, I was thinking in terms of [Galatians 6:2](logos4:///Bible/Ga 6.2). Restoring, helping, and doi

Jeremiah, there are other ways to explain sin coming through Adam than “federal headship.” Such a concept is never explained in the Bible. [Genesis 3](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3) and [1 Timothy 2](logos4://

Mark, “masculine” words in Greek do not mean the word is masculine. That’s a common mistake Enlish speakers make. The gender of a noun is part of the language; it doesn’t mean a “masculine” word there

#46 Charis, > I feel frustrated at having to keep repeating myself. I am truly sorry for your frustration. I personally do not mean to offend you in any way and I can also sense your frustration. I

gengwall, You said: > I think you are overly concerned about a supposed connection of the “women” of vs. 10 and a generic woman in vs. 11. Actually I do see a connection between the two. The godly

Well, well, well… First I’ll just dump my hasty notes I took as I listened, then post my comments: M– one woman not fit context of [1 Tim 1](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 1)-2 C– subject can change, not an i

Well, well, well… First I’ll just dump my hasty notes I took as I listened, then post my comments: M– one woman not fit context of [1 Tim 1](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 1)-2 C– subject can change, not an i

Mark, you said, “I agree submission is something we do. A wife is told to submit to her husband. She has to choose to do it, it cannot be demanded by the husband. God demands it, not the husband. But

@ Mark “As I understand [1 Tim 2:8-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.8-15), the teaching restricted is that linked with authority in the public congregational setting. That is, the preaching from the pulpit s

I’m coming in late to this discussion, but it seems to me what Paul was saying to wives and to husbands was “Be submissive to one another out of reverence for Christ,” and that this MUTUAL submission

*“In regards to the statement in verse 35: “As also saith the Law”* *Does not find its root in the oral law. Its inception comes from [Genesis 3:16](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3.16):* *To the woman He sai

Cheryl, thaankyou for your questions and answers, I see the garden as the place where God dwells with man- i think we would agree with this. I also agree that it was Adam and Eves home not God’s, for

Thanks for all your good comments. It is an interesting thing that Neopatriarch posts on the CCC forum under the name “statisticallyodd”. That forum has decided that I need the gospel preached to me

James, I am not the blog owner, nor am I the author of this post. That would be Cheryl. I simply saw your comment in the recent comments section, and responded– that is all. I appreciate your words a

Kerryn, I forgot to answer this question: > Cheryl I am not sure how watertight the use of “he†in [Gen 3:15](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3.15) is for your argument… (My Greek is better than my Hebrew!)