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Ok, getting back to answering Mark. Several of his paragraphs subsequent to the ones I have already addressed are expansions on the same issues. So I’m going to comment only on the ones that are left

Mark, > This is a massive debate which we have barely touched on, so i hope you can appreciate why i had to probe your view since it was producing a contradiction in the word. But it is good to see y

Hi everyone, Curious as to whom to believe – egalitarians or complementarists – I begun a research four years ago. I found that despite all the fancy rhetoric and emotional appeals, modern complemen

I just got an email from Mark B. I will put material from my email to him in quotation marks, and Mark’s thoughts and reflections in normal font. Sorry again for the length. Hi Craig,   Sorry thi

Mark, Thanks for your quick response. You said: > It is important to note that the atonement is the ‘canceling’ of our debt. That is, Jesus took our sin and the punishment for our sin onto his shou

Mark, > Cheryl, i agree 100% with the following… > > “I believe that one must first be able to exegete the passage first and show in the context the meaning that you put on the word or sentence or ve

Cheryl, There are a number of problems with the complementarian interpretation of [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1)-3 that you and the others have pointed out. In the comments and observations that foll

Mark, > Not true! Moses wrote this and God used him to record what God wanted recorded. It in no ways makes it deceptive. I’m sure you will realise this once you get a chance to do some research on i

Mark, you said: > Thankyou for your comments. A few points… you are correct that the verb to be in verse 1 is a present participle- I missed that and I’m glad you corrected me. However this does not

Mark, You said: > I never said i was a greek scholar…far from it. Look at your comment #354. You said: > As a greek scholar I am surprised at your comments. This is written as you claiming to be

Cheryl, “So why is it that God did not take the complete payment of Jesus at the cross and put it to your account at the time that Jesus died? Was His payment not full and complete at that time?” Le

Mark, You said: > People can only recieve eternal life by being reconciled in Christ. That is precisely why ‘life’ can only be ‘given’ to God’s elect, because only God’s elect have their sins ‘aton

Hi Kristen, Sorry to hear you are not well. I hope you are feeling better soon. I wasn’t going to post this just yet until we finished more of the subject at hand, but just in case you do get a ch

Mark, You said: > I would like to know how you think that ‘dead people’ can respond to God. “Dead” is a metaphor. We know that “dead” people can bury the dead. They can eat, drink, be merry and th

Don, You said: > “We see examples of this truncation in Jonah, where he gives no escape clause in his warning, yet they escape;” While we do not have the words quoted from Jonah, we can know for su

Mark, you said: > Such far, you are failing heavily to read the context and have approached both [Eph 2:1](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1), and [Rom 6:11](logos4:///Bible/Ro 6.11) with a preconcieved ideas

Kay, I tried posting my comments on Mike’s site a second time, and if I read the message that popped up, I think it went through but will be posted later. And I think your are correct in your assessm

Don #43, Sorry for taking so long in getting back to you.  I have had a full plate here for days 🙂 You said: > Jon 3:4  Jonah began to go into the city, going a day’s journey. And he called out, “Y

TL, I think you are right. And it is interesting that the Free Methodists, who broke away from the Methodists over slavery in 1860 (since the Methodist church refused to speak against it) were the fir

Sorry to dump the truck on everyone, but I thought some of you may be interested that I received an email from Mark (from Sola Panel) today. Elaine specifically asked if I could post it here. Sorry fo

Michael, Martin, Paula – go ahead and continue to discuss the issues as I work on my responses. I may not be as fast as you folks are 🙂 Michael: Regarding your first post (#1).  You said:  “Cher

Cheryl, I listened to the debate earlier today while driving and I was absolutely appalled at Matt’s behavior towards you. In spite of his adamant disagreement with your biblical egalitarianism, such

Okay, I’m back. There must be a limit to how long these posts and comments can be because my post kept disappearing. Oh well, to carry on… Michael you said “I am sleepless so I have been surfing the

Here are two excerpts from my book which deal with the question of the subjection of the Son to the Father and how it relates to the assumed subjection of the woman to the man. (I didn’t feel like re-

Mark, I apologize for the terseness of my previous comment. It was addressed more to Cheryl, Dave, Lin, and Kay who know me better than you do, and who understand where I am coming from. For on both C

#97 Mark, > By the way let me be clear that i do not think that non-calvinists are not Christians. I myself was not always convinced of reformed theology but i would never have said i wasn’t saved. N

Mark, I am continually amazed at how you refuse to engage the challenge and yet you come back as if you can find another source of accusation against me now charging me with being “selective” in the

Ok, this last section is pretty volatile. I hope it doesn’t make Mark terribly angry– but he was blunt and direct about what he said about the egalitarian position, and I must in honest rebuttal, do t

to continue with gengwall’s comments: > On “desire” – we continue to use that word because it is in all the modern translations, but we all know that “desire” is somewhat inadequate. The correct term

I have read Payne’s book and I think there are some misunderstanding about his arguments he[re. 1](logos4:///Bible/Re 1). Payne says that the present INDICATIVE form of “I am not permitting” is what

Cheryl, First I will respond to some of your comments regarding the nature of the atonement and after that I will move on to your last two lots of exegetical points. “You keep saying that only a spe

Hi Cheryl, I realize this is an old post and I’m dragging it back out, but I’m doing research for a study of [1 Cor 11:1-16](logos4:///Bible/1Co 11.1-16) and I’m a little confused about something you

Mark #337 It will likely take me awhile to answer your comments. My time is limited once again as tomorrow my son arrives with his new fiancée whom we have not yet met so I will want to spend time wi

1. “No. [Romans 1:18](logos4:///Bible/Ro 1.18) doesn’t say that all men suppress the truth. But the passage says that those who deliberately suppress the truth, God gives them up. Here is a descriptio

“Here we see clearly that Jacob is chosen unconditionally before they were born. Paul is very precise to include that it is not ‘because of works’. So your hypothesis that God chose the Israelites (Ja

It is another day and we will see how much we can get through today. Mark, You said: > You said “Faith in God and receiving Jesus comes before we become children of God.” > Really Cheryl, I don’

Cheryl, I understand that you believe in a sin nature from Adam and Greg does not, but the logical conclusion of what you are saying leads to the same path. You say we have the ability as unregenerat

Mark, To carry on with your comments: > “Yes. Permission is granted to anyone who is thirsty to come.” > > You did not answer my question. Does God ‘grant’ everyone to ‘come/believe’, yes or no. Th

Mark, You said: > I don’t think you should doubt Jesus. But I don’t think taking universal language the way you do is correct. After all [Romans 5](logos4:///Bible/Ro 5) says that Jesus justified ‘

NN, Thanks for joining in the discussion so that we can work on clarification on this issue and a sense of unity in our love for the Lord Jesus and each other. > A few points are necessary to clari

Susanna, You said: > the comps are arguing that only Adam was called by God. This is the central argument which supports the beliefs that > > 1. The man was created to lead the woman > 2. The woma

Diane Sellner from CARM has apparently decided to do Matt’s work and reply to my article so I gladly put her comments for all to see and so I can soundly answer them. Diane is answering my articles th

Hi Michael, No your teacher analogy isn’t correct. I didn’t even think it try to pull it apart because it is meaningless to me. I would rather put my effort into the inspired Hebrew. English does not

Oh Mark, I just love it when you comps write like this! I know you are a smart guy, you just have swallowed a bit too much of the comps’ cool aid (isn’t this American saying an interesting way of putt

Mark, Thanks for taking the time to explain your limited experience with Arminianism. This helps a lot to understand why it is difficult for you to get the opposing viewpoint. It is now clear that y

Cheryl, I was very sorry to read Kamilla’s response. I thought your rules of engagment were very protective for her. And I agree that a public correction is the only option here. We must all test ever

Diane Sellner posted “En Hakkore’s” “refutation” of me on CARM and here is my answer: > Originally Posted by Diane S (Quoting “En Hakkore”) > “Firstly, you baited with the name Bergen for three pos

John, I am thankful that you are still here.  It must mean that you are willing to try to hear us out.  Coming into a blog atmosphere where the majority believe in women’s freedom to serve without re

Hi Mark, > Thank you for clarifying your question. Now i can see what it is you are asking. Well, I am glad that you are roundabout admitting that you were the one that was not understanding, but wi

Craig, You said: > Is it > “usurp the authority of an accepted/authorized teacher before you yourself have been authorized” > as Kristen has put forward or to “dominate” as I think you believe.

Good day Kerryn (that’s Canadian for gidday!) Great questions. You said: > The verses you use to make your point regarding Adam being a ‘man’ use the word anthropos, ([Romans 5:12,19](logos4:/

Cheryl, I understand your position on [1 Timothy 2:12-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12-15) to be that Paul is telling one specific wife in the church to stop teaching her husband false doctrine, and that

“2. It was never used in relation between PEOPLE without the notion of authority.” Wrong! [1 Corinthians 12:21](logos4:///Bible/1Co 12.21). Head is used metaphorically to represent one person in the

Mark, Honestly, I didn’t know whether to laugh or to cry over your reply…that wasn’t the only point of agreement we had. Here are our quotes side by side: ————- Mark – “Yes the Edomites were ‘ha

Mark, You said: > The difference between us is you think people can accept the message of salvation while dead in sin. You base this on the fact that Jesus told the pharisee’s that they did ‘good’

Hi everyone, I sent Kristen’s comments @136-140 (amended as requested) to Mark yesterday. I also sent some comments of my own to Mark, which I have posted below. If you see anything where you feel m

Mark you said: > By the way here are some true representations of what the Present Greek Tense denotes or means… The durative (linear or progressive) in the present stem: the action is represented as

Mark, You said: > In the 2 Chronicles verse, you forgot to mention the verse before which show God intervening through the Prophet Azariah. So the same principle applies, God has to work first befo

Mark, you said: > Thanks for the replies. I want comment extensively until you finish dealing with the exegetical issues i have raised in [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2). Well thanks a bunch. That sh

Cindy K, Good questioning attitude!  You said: > Ortlund seems to be saying that Eve set out with the willful intent to twist what God had said, as if she needed no encouragement from the serpent.

Donna, let me answer your points, but first make one of my own: that “misrepresentation” is a very common charge on this topic and many others. When Christians disagree, it seems to be the first react

Dear Zach, Amen to Cheryl’s response to you. 1) You seem to think the Bible establishes a power structure where one group (males) is given, by God, the right to have power over another group (femal

NN, You said: > To reiterate – we are agreed that Christ (in human form) had authority and that Christ now has authority – in fact All authority (irregardless of its origin). May I rewrite this to

Michael, Thanks a bunch for posting some of your questions, because it helps me to understand your mindset and I am hoping I can help you understand my mindset too even if it is only a little. You sa

Lin, #149: > Notice the strawman argument we see being used everywhere about egals: Technically, it’s the “slippery slope” fallacy: A causes B causes C causes D… It proposes causes and effect where

Michael, You said: “[Genesis 2](logos4:///Bible/Ge 2) does not contradict chapter 1, since it does not affirm exactly when God created the animals. He simply says He brought the animals (which He h

Now concerning Mark’s answers about Eve not being banished from the garden. Mark, you said: > 1. First of all, we need to remember that this verse is within the corpus of punishment and curse. Ther

Ok, finally getting back to this: NN said: “Let us apply the reasoning which you just outlined to a parallel passage of scripture, we’ll pick 1st Peter: [1 Pet 2:13](logos4:///Bible/1Pe 2.13) ~

Oops. I missed the anti-spam word and copied the code from the other page. Grudem’s Open Letter to Egalitarians has been well answered many times. In fact, that webpage used to contain the responses

Dave, I appreciate both your and Kay’s comments and suggestions on my last comment. Right now, I am expanding and editing my comments on [Colossians 3:15-17](logos4:///Bible/Col 3.15-17), as suggested

Cheryl, I will answer your question which is ” How can your sins have been forgiven by the atonement of Christ yet you were still called a sinner and in need of being regenerated because of your sin?

Mark, you said: > But from the context of [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2) it is clear that the present particple is not used as a continual state of being, but as an emphatic remark to show us (and yo

Hi Lin, I’ll see what I can do. What the French prefer is completely irrelevant to what the apostles wrote in Greek. Two completely different cultures and languages. And *tis* can be either masc. or

Kay About [Eph 2](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2). Look again at what we are predestined for. It is not simply that the way to salvation is predestined (as Arminius taught) but us. We are chosen in Christ be

Paula, I am going back to the comments from #10 as I took a break for a few days to deal with other matters. I am glad that you agree with me that the passage is literal. I asked you “what was Adam

I simply can’t hold back any more. Sorry for the length but this simply must be resolved. Below is a breakdown I did some time ago on the use of *kephale* in the NT. I present this as textual proof th

gengwall, You said: > God: Eve, there are some unfortunate consequences that are going to affect you personally because of the situation. You will have an increase in sorrow and in pregnancy and ra

Mark, you said: > I’m a bit concerned about your 7 points. None of your references mention at all that the Jews did not fear God. You are bringing that into the text. I am actually quite shocked tha

Charis, No you are not going to be disowned here. It is my desire that this blog will always be a loving community. One way to show love and community is to show acceptance. Another important way to

Hi Kristen, While I was working on my response, you responded to Craig which I did not see. I have only a little time left this morning, so I will answer this one and then have to leave. You said:

bgk, > Cheryl, you put up a straw man.  I did not say God gives permission and then withdraws it.  I said God can make exceptions and that not all exceptions are necessarily recorded in every place.

Mark, You said: > When have i said that ‘ha’adam’ has to ‘always’ mean more than one person. You have assumed this about me. But i have clearly said semantically that it ‘can’ mean more than one pe

Hi Michael, You ask a great question about the creation of animals. First of all in answer to your question, the issue is not about animals ONLY being created after Adam. The Hebrew is specific in th

Mark, Continuing on, you said: > 2. I would also not use the Levitical priesthood as ‘proof’ for my argument for the headship of Adam in the garden. The priesthood does show us something about Lead

Thanks Cheryl, that was very edifying. I kind of figured that imperatives could sometimes be used in the permissive sense, since I had noticed certain imperatives logically seem like they must be only

“Also the doctrine of predestination (unconditional) also emphasises God’s grace. Nothing we do or can do will save us. It is merely according to God’s pleasure and will that some are saved. [Rom 9:

What do I think? I think you are right.  I think that [Genesis 2](logos4:///Bible/Ge 2) and 3 makes Eve out to be the first apologist (one who gives an account of their reasoning for faith in God).

Mark you said: > So although this may seem messy to many people with all the technical stuff let me conclude. First the perfect indicate verb can take either past, present or future meaning depending

Gazza, One more comment on the present tense. Jesus said in [John 8:58](logos4:///Bible/Jn 8.58)- > [John 8:58](logos4:///Bible/Jn 8.58) (NASB) > 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to yo

Dave, I’m still not following with the commandments line? I’m not sure what you are trying to say in regards to Genesis. Cheryl, I appreciate your lengthy resposes and i also appreciate your will

Mark, you wrote quoting me and then answered: > “So the $64,000 dollar question is why did God inspire [Ephesians 2:1](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1) in the present tense and not the imperfect tense which

Mark, You said: > Please don’t slay me for my spelling mistakes ‘tote’ and ‘present indicate’. They are just spelling mistakes, there is not need to go overboard. I think that we can have a lot mo

Now video 5, Who exactly is the prosecution- JW or CBMW or both? That’s a side interest. Now the first thing to note is in [Acts 18](logos4:///Bible/Ac 18) it is ‘they’ who explain to Apollos. I’m

I’m sorry it has taken me longer, than I originally intended, to make a response to Mark’s latest comments ( #228) of my critique of the ESS teaching. But as you well know, Cheryl, the responsibilitie

Dear Fellows, I would like to state that more than half of these paradoxes you are struggling with could have readily been prevented by reading my website <http://gfwilkinprofwomen.webs.com/>, and

Mark you said: Mark, Thanks once again for taking the time to work with me through this passage. I think this is extremely helpful in working towards a clear word in the Scripture, but I think it

Cheryl, I’m quite astonished really. What makes Noah righteous? His own free-will? No I don’t think so. Was it not his faith? [Heb 11:7](logos4:///Bible/Heb 11.7) By faith Noah, being warned by God

Greg, You have brought up an excellent question for discussion. I think that first of all that there is an issue of definitions that needs to be discussed. In my discussions with Calvinists, they h

Kristen, “Arminians (in general) believe that when God “draws” someone, God enables that person to make a true choice. The sinner’s desire is bent towards sin; God provides just enough power to pull,

Mark you said: > Regarding your claim that the Cannaanites of the conquest were given a chance to repent. I noticed you quoted Jeremiah. Now Jeremiah was a exilic prophet, who lived, what, some 500-6

Peter, you wrote about [John 17:12](logos4:///Bible/Jn 17.12) In this verse, looking at the words of the text, Judas is among the “them” group. Of the members of this group, Judas is the one that was

Hi Peter, You wrote: I am not sure if I hit a nerve with you, but the conversation is becoming slightly less than irenic, and I think it is best to leave it before it becomes personal. Thanks for the

Mark, You asked regarding Ryan’s comments: > In what way is the husband the source of his wife? What does that mean from the context? Then in what way does that parallel the Church and Christ? The

Dear Captain Planet (cool name!) I agree that most egalitarians do not preach on the hard passages of Scripture like [1 Timothy 2:12-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12-15) but I am different. Here is why.

#230 Craig, You said: > One of the staff at my church said egals use a “different hermeneutic”. I have often heard comps say it is a “liberal hermeneutic”. I don’t really understand what they mean,

Kay and Cheryl, I was never a hard core apologetic Armininan. I believed what i heard in churches, namely, that predestination is based on foreknowledge of our faith. I never had an issue with this,

HI, Cheryl, I’ve been reading your blog for a while, and I want to say that I enjoy it a lot. I agree with what you say on a lot of things concerning Adam and Eve’s relationship and the fall. Howeve

Well, Cheryl, I think you are doing a good job in accurately explaining what the Scriptures actually teach about women teaching and preaching, while pointing out the contradictions in his own position

Mark, You mention my lack of Greek exegesis on [Eph 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11). Well let me enlighten you so that we can be on the same page. The grammar of [Eph 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11)

> why did Paul speak of it just once, in a private letter to his “deputy,” rather than in a letter to the whole church? And why didn’t he say anything about it to the church at Rome, where women had a

Mark, You said: > I am glad you attempted to address all of my post, I give you credit for that. It seems that since I last logged on, comments have risen so I won’t have time to answer them all- b

#67 Kristen, You said: > Cheryl, I like your view; I really do. I just wish there were some way for me to get around what seems to me to be a real fact about this passage: that the context of this

#20 Chris, You said: > Here a command is given to the congregation. The pronoun ‘she’ refers to ‘a woman’, but the command isn’t just for one specific woman, it is for all women. This is no proble

John, I am afraid that you are protesting too much without a shred of evidence offered.  You said: > Again you are making a declarative statement that is false. > > Again “The Law” only refers to th

Hi, new here. [though I have read off and on] I come from that Radical Feminist camp [years of study/and I still advocate on women’s rights issues] so I’d like to address some things here. Because th

continuing on… [Joh 6:26](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6.26) Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. [Joh

> Again [1 Cor 14](logos4:///Bible/1Co 14) and 1 Tim are church gatherings. What you and others here are classifying as church are not what Paul is discussing. If you can disprove this please do? The

Don, You said: > On 2, lots may be votes or they might be random, it is not clear. Even if random the lot is in the hands of the Lord as they were acting in faith. There is no other place in script

Hi all, Hope you all had a great Christmas and New Year! Cheryl i have a response for that ‘question 1’ from way back so im just gunna post it hear…feel free to move it or whatever. Please know that

Michael: Regarding your post #2 on the length of days. You said “The seventh day has not ended. Is Hebrews in error when it suggests the seven day was not 24 hours?†I understand and I think most

Re: On Length of Days: > ([Heb 4:4-11](logos4:///Bible/Heb 4.4-11)) > The seventh day has not ended. Is Hebrews in error when it suggests the seven day was not 24 hours? I think you’re mixing days

That is illogical. A person could say a similar statement this way: All the children had ice cream except for little Marcie as Marcie only likes cake. Marcie is one of the children, but is she a part

Metacrock, No offense taken at all. I don’t mind people arguing with passion. I happen to love people who have lots of passion. By the way, you may be interested to know that “a woman” absolutely can

Dave, “Now, in regards to the use of the word “teach” and “authentein”, how can it be positive in this context? Paul is saying he does not permit it. Nowhere has Paul suggested that it is ok for anyo

Mark, you said: > So therefore i disagree that God forgave or ‘atoned’ for non believers sins. The fact is that we were all non-believers and sinners at one time and yet Christ died for sinners. >

Mark, you copied my statemdent and then responded: > “Let’s have another look at the verse and compare it to what John himself said in the book of 1 John. John is not going to contradict himself.” >

Mark you said: > Let me say it again as I already have done. I am not saying one can receive eternal life apart from the death of Christ. The issue is whether ‘world’ is meant to be understood univer

Mark, You said: > 3. About the incarnation. First I must confess that I believe that this doctrine is probably the hardest to understand, even above the Trinity. How Jesus could leave glory, humble

Hi Gazza, and thanks for joining the discussion again. You said: > Yet in Post 244 you expressed sadness that people believe “that God deliberately and unconditionally creates people to go to hell.

Mark, You said: > I have agreed with you all along that we are all called to seek after God. But how can we as sinners. God gives us all common grace to seek after God. He has promised everyone th

Mark, You said: > Cheryl, this is exactly you, because you think it is unfair that God’s ordains all things as you have said before. My guess though is that you have re-interpreted [Romans 9](logos

Mark you quoted me and then said: > “We can pray that a person will be brought to the place of repentance, but repentance is something that the person themselves must do. And if the person rejects Go

Mark, You said: > Therefore to deny that saving faith is in itself not a gracious gift of God necessitates that it is something we do without the help of God. Who is claiming that our faith is “wi

Kay, Let me say first of all thankyou for actually addressing a text. But let me say I am unconvinced of your exegesis. After all if Paul here is talking ONLY about the nation of Israel being elect w

Mark you said: > I agree with you that people cannot come to God because they do not love Him. But I guess the difference is because I believe that unregenerate people are unable ([Rom 8:6-7](logos4:

Cheryl, it seems to me that you have fabricated a rule of Greek grammar for yourself regarding what ‘she’ and ‘they’ can or cannot refer to in order to prop up your view on [1 Timothy 2:11-15](logos4:

Peter, I have walked through your case and find no evidence that the actions of the crowd define the meaning of the words of Jesus to be a physical looking at, a physical following. You wrote: It is m

Mark, Sorry about being so slow in answering. I am really stretched thin right now so I can’t be as prompt as I would like. > The issue is whether Adam had a responsibility that Eve did not. Accord

Under question #10 I asked: > If Adam was a leader of his wife, then he would have to be called to account for his failed “role” as a leader. Eve also would have to be called to account for failing t

Mark, You said to pinklight: > Here lies the problem with your view. You are looking at it from a readers perspective. We do know alot of other details from verses other that verse 23. However how

Mark, I am going to try to get through as much of your questions as I can before I have to leave. > 2. In [Gen 2](logos4:///Bible/Ge 2) there is the introduction of the definate article so it is rig

It is interesting that Diane Sellner keeps repeating that “En” has refuted me regarding Dr. Buth’s work on the Hebrew grammar that proves that [Genesis 2](logos4:///Bible/Ge 2) has the animals and the

#44 CLC, You said: > 2. Second, my NIV translation makes it seem like only women fell into sin: “14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.” We all

#36 Cindy K, > And I’m glad you’re catching up and specifically said so, as I had a tiny twinge of concern that I might have shut down the discussion, (even though I found that unlikely). If you wer

Paula, “I didn’t say they were equal in length, but that the days would be equal to ages, that is, they would stand for ages.†I went back and reread. You are correct, my error. I misread. “

Mark, Again there is a huge difference between attacking a person or disputing and refuting their position. This blog is about giving a reason for the hope that is within us that allows women to fre

Mark, Now we see why you write things like: “They want to hold onto God working, but equally hold onto autonomous free will.” and then Cheryl has to explain with: “The classical Arminian positi

This week’s column is written by Megan Greulich, editor of Mutuality magazine. A prominent sociologist on evangelicals, Sally Gallagher, published a fascinating study on evangelicals, “The Marginaliza

Hmmm, it appears I have trouble with people disagreeing with me. So far only when talking with you Mark! You gave wise advice to Lydia, that assumptions do not help our discussion. Let me say the foll

Mark, You said to TL: > I appreciate your call for us all to be in continual repentance- i couldn’t agree more. But maybe you can show me if the Cannanites in the conquering were given that opportu

The comments are extensive so i will reply the best i can… 1. Obviously i believe that there is a ‘formal’ type gathering demonstrated in Pauls epistles, and many don’t. I have shown why i believe th

Mark, You said: > You might think my view needs a Talmud, but all i am saying is this. Women should not teach in the gathered assemblies, it should be the resposiblilty of the pastor/elders who are

“But again I mentioned that [Romans 3](logos4:///Bible/Ro 3) is a quote from the OT where the context is the fool who says there is no God. Paul would not illegally use an OT quote to mean the opposit

OK let me say a few things… Cheryl, I very much appreciate your trust in the Spirit, but we must alsways keep in mind the auhtor’s intent/purpose/culture of their writings. What i find amazing aswe

Ok one last point since it regards universal language 1. [John 12:32](logos4:///Bible/Jn 12.32) (NASB) 32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.” Is there any rea

Jim, I would like to give you a special welcome to my blog. I think that it is a very brave thing for you to comment on this blog after silently following the blog for some time. Kudos to you! I thi

Hi Cheryl, You asked me as one of your hard questions “Do you or do you not believe that [Ephesians 4:11](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4.11) gives “teacher” as a gift for the body of Christ?” The short answe

Mark, You said: > The parellel is the same with Adam and the woman. Just because God uses a human agent does not detract from God’s foreknowledge. The text simply saids that it was the man who ‘nam

Matt Slick has answered my request for a written debate by posting this on his discussion board: > I am in the midst of two debates right now, prepping, etc. and I find out that “a woman” has said I

John, In your comment #97, you copy and paste from a scholar that you say gives an excellent exposition.  This scholar says: > Paul with this explanatory injection states the reason why these women

Hi allennelson4, You said: I’m saying you can break it down like this, “work for the food that endures to eternal life which I will give to you” That’s connected. It is connected, but it isn’t connect

An excellent exposition on [1 Corinthians 14:34,35](logos4:///Bible/1Co 14.34,35): Relative to every truth, there are extremes. Extremes are not seen on God’s part, but they enter in as a result of m

Pinklight (102), “‘They also break the first of the 10 commandments: Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Compism is men’s shrine to themselves, and they bow down to the god of husband authority

Regarding Matt’s comments on the Greek word for teach which is didasko, Matt was trying to say that because the word for teach used in this passage is a normal word for teach not one specifically for

Mark, You said: > If you look closely at the Hebrew in [Genesis 3](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3), there is nothing in the grammar to suggest that Eve’s motive’s were good and Adam’s bad. Actually I just p

I have seen some blogs/web sites/discussion boards that claim to be Christian and they delight in abusing those who do not believe the same way as they do on secondary issues.  I am thoroughly amazed

Sue, I admire your honestly regarding your bias. I think that is helpful for all to understand, so that when comments are made rejecting the BDAG for example because of bias, one can see that such an

Cheryl, Yes i did feel you were harsh or frustrated and i understand that, but i still do not believe that i am throwing a low ball or presenting logical fallicies. Very briefly i will respond in a h

@Mark #43 > I would have thought that an exegesis based on one’s own un supported grammtical interpretation would be a hole to begin with…a major hole. Unsupported? No true at all but seems to be yo

Here is my “iron sharpens iron” attempt. Jon 3:4  Jonah began to go into the city, going a day’s journey. And he called out, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!” is the verse I was ref

Mark said > It still raises the question I asked you earlier in this context. There is a parallel here between husbands and the Lord. If the submission to Christ that the Church offers is without aut

Mark, “C’mon mate, let’s be realisitic” is not a valid argument…especially when I am realistic! Kay responded on my behalf with regards to you first point. Thanks Kay, Mark did miss the point. I shou

Peter, you are a LONG way from home! You wrote: IF you are right about John the Baptist’s status as an unbeliever, then you have a strong case. I appreciate you saying this. If each point I made is va

I absolutely do not agree with the meaning that Ortlund ascribes to the Genesis account here, but I think that there is some Scriptural basis to argue against the points you brought up.  I will play d

Cheryl, I understand totally where you are coming from. But unfortunately there are just as many other commentaries to quote in opposition to your view. Bible exposition commentary “From the begin

It has been a long day for me, but I am going to try to answer as much as I can before I head for bed. Mark, You said: > I have no problem saying that God was in control of what Adam said and knew

Hi Martin, Dave Hunt is a very good apologist in my opinion. We will attending his conference this summer and then I will get to meet him in person. As far as Sandy Simpson and his DVD – yes there w

Waneta, If you look closely at the Hebrew in [Genesis 3](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3), there is nothing in the grammar to suggest that Eve’s motive’s were good and Adam’s bad. In fact the ‘desire’ Eve has,

@207 gengwall I think I failed to congratulate you on thinking outside the box. Even if your view does not agree with mine, the fact that you are thinking for yourself and considering all the options

Mark, You said: > Again you have not dealt with any precise exegetical arguments i have raised. Please deal with them. > > I have not talked about hiding sin, only you have. Well, Mark, that appea

#67 Lin, > Besides the obvious biological differences, what characteristics do you see as different by Design? Where are they listed? I don’t see any characteristic as belonging just to one gender.

Don, > I see part of the reason for differences is that the origins narratives do not say everything we might wish them to say, so people fill in the gaps in different ways. God has given us everyth

Peter, You wrote: The crux of our impasse is that it seems to me that you want to consider that passages that show the role of the Father – as in the case of the Lord opening Lydia’s heart, and insist

Dear NN, I never said you said anything about the usage of hypotasso and epitasso together. I wanted to draw your attention to them since it is usually simply assumed that hypotasso is the antonym of

Hi Michael, I am not a young earth type per se, because I just want the truth of God’s word and whatever that is, is good with me. I have looked at Hugh Ross’ material and I have seen his debates

gengwall, > Cheryl – we clearly aren’t understanding each other. You keep taking examples from human history but, it seems to me, are trying to read them back into our universal sin nature to say tha

Cheryl, Thanks for your answers. A few more comments. 1. First off- good on you for correcting my wrong biblical quote, sorry about that. However I can’t see in [Num 14](logos4:///Bible/Nu 14) how t

Mark you said: > regarding my exegesis you said… > ” Jesus revealed in verse 33 that the bread of God (which is later revealed as His flesh) is given for the life of the world. So naturally the cro

gengwall, > You misunderstand. I am not saying that a and b are the only possibilities, I am saying they are the only possibilities I will accept as reasonable. Alright, then it appears that you hav

Mark, you quoted me and then replied: > “How is it that those who have never had their sins atoned for are commanded to believe (apply) the atonement? Do you not see a contradiction here?” > > Not at

Don, Thanks also for keeping me up to date without me having to go back on that abusive board. The fact that CARM’s VP keeps calling me “radio poison” shows that the charge is accurate. They are not

Mark, You said: > I agree with you that context is important, but the question remains- how far do you take it? To me the context is the whole Bible. Does the verse or the passage contradict the re

Mark you said: > Also he did make clear in [Matt 25:31](logos4:///Bible/Mt 25.31)ff that the goats would go to hell but the sheep to eternal glory which was prepared “for you since the creation of th

Mark, > so essentially you are saying that the command we have recorded given to Adam by God doesn’t really count, because at some other time which is not recorded, God gave them both another command

Cheryl, I agree with you that people cannot come to God because they do not love Him. But I guess the difference is because I believe that unregenerate people are unable ([Rom 8:6-7](logos4:///Bible/

#129 Mark, You said: > Again you are playing semantic games with my words. If you have any legitimate claim to show that there is no difference between Pauls letters and [Acts 16](logos4:///Bible/Ac

Cheryl, I appreciate where you are coming from. But first of all i have never deemed myself a ‘calvinist’ because simply it puts me into a theological bucket i don’t want to be in. Nor have i said th

Kay “Why do you assume that Paul’s phrase ” all israel is not israel” could only be refering to individuals and not groups?” Because that is the only thing that makes sense. What ‘groups’ within nat

Kay, Again let me commend you for addressing [Romans 1](logos4:///Bible/Ro 1). Can you state though at what point you disagree with me. Are you saying you agree that [Romans 1:18-3](logos4:///Bible/R

ok i think we need to clarify a few things… it seems like Dave and Cheryl are expecting me to find the term ‘office’ in the NT to back my claim. I have no intention of trying to prove such a thing be

Don, The real question is whether we should trust Eve’s testimony.  Eve said “God said…” In Jewish tradition, woman was not to be trusted.  The woman was not to be believed in court because women we

Craig, 1. Paul’s words “I am not…” is the main key that the prohibition is a local situation since his prohibition is not tied to any law instituted in the OT. Since God’s laws are always clear, alwa

Charis, I apologized because I got the date wrong. I also wanted to re-listen to the quote myself and couldn’t find it. I know that he said that I couldn’t come back on the program because I was “rad

Don #7, It is a “tradition” because it is proper word usage within the text. If this “tradition” is not correct, then it must be shown why it is not correct. Just saying that it is incorrect and tha

Gazza, You said: > Thanks for your response to my last post #146. Unfortunatly I was not clear enough – ever a danger with analogies. The roast dinner/ carcus was not meant to represent any individ

Hello! what an interesting blog. i have spent several hours reading through your material today and really enjoyed it. One question/comment though… I am not sure about the “distinction” b/w Adam

Mark you said: > Also justification is only by faith is it not? Now I’m sure you do not believe that all people have faith in Christ, so therefore how can you say that all men are justified. This is

NN (214): “If interested for gmail chat ingarandur[AT]gmail[DOT]com – it is so much quicker to figure out where the common ground is for a starting point in the discussion that way, and easier to st

Don, > As I stated, one sees the polemic in [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1) in contrast to the other polytheistic origins stories. I don’t know about the other polytheistic origin stories. What I was

Peter, I see that you have replied again while I was finishing my response. I don’t know how much more I can respond tonight and I have a very busy week ahead of me as I let things slide while I was t

Craig, You also said: > 4 I know both egals and comps who can see the force of Cheryl’s argument from v15, and yet they still have difficulty accepting that v11,12 are speaking of particular indivi

Gazza, Welcome back! I missed you! > You say that the knowledge of good and evil is part of being created in the image of God and was not a result of eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. In [Gen

Frank, You make this claim: 2. The insistence that kephale in [1 Cor 11:3](logos4:///Bible/1Co 11.3) must mean “authority over” and not “source” so as to weigh an argument in one’s favor against h

Craig, You can argue with Kostenberger over your issues, but your up against all the evidence. Here is what he saids… “These example set forth the NT evidence that ‘oude’ joins terms that denote act

Mark, To just use Pinklight as an example, yes, she has asked you why you have an issue with believing that the salvation of the woman might be conditional on her husband. I do not have a problem wi

God does not contradict itself and if I am seeing a contradiction in Scripture then the problem is with MY interpretation, NOT with God’s Word!!! I could see QUITE CLEARLY other examples of women exer

Paula, Thanks for your consideration. It has been a stressful week for sure! This is a great discussion. > 1a – I don’t agree that Adam’s words contradict the idea of Eve being made from a “female”

I LOVE Lists! > 1. Where in [Gen 3](logos4:///Bible/Ge 3) does it say Adam ‘intentionally’ sinned. He is charged for ‘listening’ to his wife. This is ‘read into’. I think we have a symantic disagree

Alex #56, I had to stay away from this topic for a bit as it took me back to a very painful time and I just needed space in order to breathe again. You said: > Cheryl, I understand what you’re say

Ah, I think I am finally coming to the end of Mark’s challenges. Mark, you wrote: > Cheryl has told me before that Eve was not “a threat”. What a wrong understanding of sin. I would challenge Cheryl

NN, Your main confusion appears to be in your insistence that Christ as a “being” without identifying that He has two natures. > 1) Would you agree that the being called Jesus existed in eternity p

I think we are really getting off topic here and I think it might be good to move this discussion somewhere else. I just don’t know where that somewhere else would be right now. I will have to think a

Hi Kay, I am so glad you have responded, and equally glad that you agree that context is important. However you are making a serious error by assuming that ‘presbyterio’ always should translate ‘elde

Hi Matt, Thank you for coming to this blog. You are most certainly welcome here and your opposing viewpoint is welcome to be expressed. Don’t be surprised, though, if you find some well thought out c

Cheryl, Thank you for clarifying your question. Now i can see what it is you are asking. And please stop with your rhetorical hogwash, you sound like you’ve just stepped out of the 16th Century. Now

Mark, you said, “We are always going to but heads. I recommend you read the scholarly work of comps such as that book i recommended before you continue to argue for Cheryl’s exegesis”. Are be butting

“I’m some what in agreement with you about interpretation. Thus a good proper solid exegesis is required. It is not simply good enough to say…’well that doesn’t apply ot us anymore’, nor is it excepta

Paula: “As you surely know, ‘most commentators’ is an appeal to popularity. ” Not really. See <http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html>: “If an elite group of people are in a position to kn

I just finished reading through both postings by Mark, as well as their respective comments. And I’m wondering if I should abandon the line of argument I began in Comment #168 on this posting, and try

Mark #137, > I understand totally where you are coming from. But unfortunately there are just as many other commentaries to quote in opposition to your view. First of all if my memory serves me righ

Hi Don, > ” The lot was an accepted way to make decisions and besides being random it might mean they voted.” While the “lot” was an accepted way to make decisions in the OT, it is not shown to be a

Peter, You wrote: If He is still alive when they also begin to follow Him, it seems that He would be caring for them as well. I would just say that they are not the primary subjects in view in the pra

Hi Cheryl, Thankyou for your reply. A few observations. I have to disagree that i failed to answer the original question. What i attempted to do was distinguish between the different gifts because

Hello K, Men do not carry a different sin nature than women do. We are all born in sin and all of us have inherited the sin nature. This sin nature comes from Adam through the father’s seed. Since

Hey Mark, I am trying to get through all the questions brought up on my blog the last couple of days as well as the questions on the Australian blog. I hope that I don’t miss any questions. If I don

#18 Cindy K, You said: > Unfortunately, much of that ideology has shaped my thinking, sometimes to the point that I wish I could take a toothbrush and toothpaste to scrub out my brain. I understand

Mark, You said: > Naming her was the mans responsibility. Sigh! Where does it say that in text? There is no authority or responsibility given in the text. Or do you think that just repeating the s

Mark, You write: “I obviously disagree with you that Adam is not the leader in [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1)-3. You talked about the ‘them’ of [Gen 1](logos4:///Bible/Ge 1) and how both genders were

Hi Cheryl. Thanks you so much for your comments. It seems like the crux of our where we disagree distills down to verse 39. In the context of the entire passage, my reading doesn’t cause any strain on

Cheryl,I just ordered the DVD and I am looking forward to hearing what you have to say about this issue.  The clip on youtube was very good and what I would like to know is how Ware handles the fact t

Now that I’m back home and on my own little computer, I can finish my comment. (I was at the library, doing job hunting research, having been umemployed for some time). As I was saying, Gordon Fee exp

Mark, Concerning Question #3. I asked you where the Bible says that only elders could teach? I also asked you if single men are in sin for being pastors? You did not answer these questions. I would

Mark, Again you misrepresent me. You said: > Cheryl believes that although Eve’s quotation of God’s words was a direct command given to her only, since Adam had already been told what not to eat ([

Mark, You asked: > A note to everyone else- i am currently reading through ‘Discovering Biblical Authority’ and would be greatly interested in discussing issues in it with people- Cheryl should this

Susanna, You said: > He is given the name because he was made of ‘adamah (ground) just as Eve is named Chawah (from chay) because she was to become the mother of all living. Then could you explain

Jessica, You said: > I have not always been a complementarian and have been humbled in the past few years as I have discovered what I believe to be the gracious design that God has for men and wome

@227 Kristen, You asked: > Would Paul really be saying that only those women who claim to have maturity and are godly examples, should be dressing modestly? That only they should be focusing on inn

…continued… Mark, you said: > Also in relation to the ‘prophecy’ of the New Testament, it has to be understood that we can not relate it exactly to the prophecy of the Old Testament. For example t

#70 Mark, You said: > However, why do you assume therefore that authority cannot exist? Why is it, that you actually contradict the meaning of this verb? The meaning of the Greek verb does not for

Cheryl, I hate to say it, but it seems to me that as long as [1 Timothy 2:12](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.12) is understood by Mike as meaning that Paul prohibits the proper exercise of teaching authority,

Hi Cheryl, thanks for responding. Here are answers to your specific questions: //He is not praying for just “these alone” (the disciples) but also for those who believe (present tense) because of thei

Cheryl says in her blog post “What does [1 Timothy 2:11-15](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 2.11-15)?” under point #17: “The grammar f[rom 1](logos4:///Bible/Ro 1) Timothy 2:15 requires the identification of a si

Paula, Good point. We must take into consideration that KJV translators were laboring under a church/state mentality. Cheryl, one reason you may not have gotten a posted question about Hebrews is be

Cheryl and et al., I pray that Jesus guides each word I am about to write, because it is important for me to miss anything. I do talk to Jesus all the time and today He and I have been going over a l

Continuing on from our conversation on the other thread: https://mmoutreach.org/tg/jesus-draws-all/#comments It seems that you are engaging in circular reasoning. If we can find non-Jewish believers w

@A. Amos Love Nice. Very insightful. It is foolish to be quibbling about who should and should not be a leader when we are all called to be disciples with one Leader. Though…., it is a worthy cause

Michael, > I am not saying that individual days are equal lengths, only that they are unspecified lengths of time but distinct periods. I didn’t say they were equal in length, but that the days woul

Gazza #169, As usual you have well-thought-out questions that shows you are thinking through the process. Bravo! > Firstly in [1 Timothy 1](logos4:///Bible/1Ti 1) v14-17 Paul goes on from saying he

For those who are interested in my answers. #50 “Patrick” writes: > I agree with most of this, the singular does not necessitate a specific singular woman. I agree the singular needs to be noted, y

Mark, Can you provide me with another email address so I can get the answers to your personal challenges sent to you. Or should I assume that you don’t care to hear answers on the other subject (out

#24 Chris, I apologize that I haven’t been too fast this past week. It has been an extremely busy time for me. > Cheryl, it seems to me that you have fabricated a rule of Greek grammar for yourself

Hey Mark, I am delighted that you are still reading here on my blog. And I am very glad that you found some time to try to point out any weaknesses that you think might be in my argument. It gives me

Lmb, Good to have you engage in the conversation. Let me respond to your comment. You said “Actually it isn’t a stretch at all. In Greek a masculine plural is the grammatical form used for a group

tiro3, What you do is highlight a word when you are in the regular comment mode (not html) and once the word is highlighted the little chain above will become visible. Click on that and you can add a

Sam, I don’t think that these kinds of conversations expose ignorance at all. I think they are wonderful at helping us as Christians to experience “iron sharpening ironâ€. When I first understoo

To continue to Mark, > Since this is the case, we ought to be very cautious of people who think they have a flawless exegesis of this passage. History should tell us otherwise. No need to be cautiou

Peter, I see that you have not answered yet on my response to point #1. You must still be considering my challenge to think outside the box. I will answer point #2 as it is similar to point #1. We can

Guys, As you listen to the audio from last night’s debate remember one thing…I asked to share why I believed that “a woman” was a particular woman and not “all women” and Matt refused to allow me to

I would also like to comment on John’s quote: “A person who pushes for equality in the Church to their own benefit is doing it from their own flesh and not from a pure heart.” I agree with what Lin

Benjamin, I will go back to your first post. My question was “Can you show a single Scripture that shows a God-hater is given to Jesus?” You gave [Ephesians 2:1-10](logos4:///Bible/Eph 2.1-10), and th

Mark, It is quite like you to ask questions instead of answer them. You may not mean it this way, but it comes across as being evasive. I was going to answer once again when I see pinklight has jus

1. A correction for post #61. Mara thought that Piper was part of Sovereign Grace Ministries (SGM). He is not. From what I know SGM is led, at least in part if not primarily, by C.J. Mahaney. Piper is

I rarely post but, I wanted to let everyone know that I keep up with the discussion at the carm website as well as here. It is disturbing to me as I watch the discussion at carm digress ( i would like

“See to me the test is in the scriptures, not in philosophical reasoning!” Mark, I understand what you’re getting at, but I think we are allowed to use reason. (Isa.1:18) Let’s consider II Peter 3

Since I do a lot of community theater work, I have a particular concept of what a “role” is. I find it very difficult to translate that concept into marriage, especially in light of scriptural teachin

Hi Mark, You said: > Father, Son and Spirit are all equally God but perform different functions. While the incarnation was a difference in function since only the Son became human, I would like to

Ahhhhh, Mark, you dragged me back. My floor needs washing! But I only came back to look…. Here goes, and after this I really am leaving and turning off my computer so I don’t get tempted to look. 😉

Craig, I don’t think your approach is without merit, but at the end of the day, this is still a debate, not a negotiation. Someone has to be right. That is why I wrote my “Show Stoppers” series of bl

Ok i have now watched video 2 and have a few thoughts/ comments. 1. I’m not very familiar with the Jw’s or there theology, so i can only go off what is presented in these videos. I do not agree that

Cheryl – we clearly aren’t understanding each other. You keep taking examples from human history but, it seems to me, are trying to read them back into our universal sin nature to say that sin itself

Lin, Regarding your post # 169, remember that what i am saying is that i think Cheryl mis-quoted the CBMW. IF you don’t agree with me show me how she didn’t. If she has mis-quoted them, then her arg

Ha! The security word is Adam! 🙂 Well, no “answer” has arrived yet. But I’ll go ahead and examine the rest of it. [Genesis 2](logos4:///Bible/Ge 2) provides detail to the overview that is [Genesis 1

gengwall, You said: > I think you are overly concerned about a supposed connection of the “women” of vs. 10 and a generic woman in vs. 11. Actually I do see a connection between the two. The godly

Mark, Under question #9 You had originally said “The curses show who is MORE responsible for the fall.” I answered: > Says who? Where does God say that the man is MORE responsible for the fall? Si

Mark, you said, “I agree submission is something we do. A wife is told to submit to her husband. She has to choose to do it, it cannot be demanded by the husband. God demands it, not the husband. But

one passage: The mistranslation hinges on the Greek verb, authentein. I have been a pastor for 35 years and a Christian for 45 years. I now have a house church and left the big church with all its i

Well, it seems the discussion with Mark has gone to quite some length. And I’m sorry got to it much later than Lin did; I wish I could have commented on some of these points myself. But I think everyo

Truthseeker #30 You said: > They also do not refer to such things as the women’s issues as laws.  They are principles written for the church.  Somehow in their minds, that is a significant differen

Mark, You said: > Again you are convincing me more that you don’t actually understand the people you oppose-namely reformed Christians. No one i know who holds to a reformed doctrine would come to

Lin, On the past post <http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2010/03/07/why-was-eve-punished/comment-page-4> that we are now answering here on the issue of sin here, you said: > Syllogism of your premise >

Hey Cheryl, I am continuing to read through all your archives. Lots of food for thought – thank you for such stimulating discussions! Some questions/comments I have regarding this particular post

Let me start by thanking Cheryl for her willingness to interact with an opposing idea. A few points are necessary to clarify the content of what I said and to point out that the logical demonstration

Historical Progression of Zionism <http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/ZionistState/historical.cfm> 18th century: The German Jewish philosopher Moses Mendelssohn initiates a Jewish secularis

From the beginning of our discussion, we both agreed that we enjoy irenic discussion the best. If you look back to the original comments, you will see that you were the first one to “take the gloves”

Craig @103 You said: > I can see the context of false teaching in ch1 and 2 and clearly relate this to 2:11-15. Your argument from v14,15 concerning a particular woman and man seems conclusive to m

Cheryl, thaankyou for your questions and answers, I see the garden as the place where God dwells with man- i think we would agree with this. I also agree that it was Adam and Eves home not God’s, for

My last class is finished and it has been a very intense time. Peter, I think that we are going to have to work on the top issues first. The issue we have discussed is about [John 6:37](logos4:///Bibl

Don, The premise is that there is no universal law that is not repeated in scripture.  I am not saying that God has to repeat the law to the exact same people that he said it to the first time.  What

gengwall, > My “guarding” stuff was kind of shooting from the hip. Suffice it to say that I do not think of Adam as the guardian of Eve so much as the guardian of an environment. I think we are in sy

Mark, You said: > Now about [1 Cor 12](logos4:///Bible/1Co 12)! First of all i don’t believe it is a less ‘teacher’ than [Eph 4](logos4:///Bible/Eph 4). Second the reason why Paul numbers the gifts

#91 Don, > And a natural metaphor (for me) is evening is the onset of darkness/night, which is associated with less order and morning is the onset of light/daytime, which is associated with more orde

Hello there, I am back in the saddle although I am doing ministry work at the same time as I am packing up our second load of belongings. Busy times! I appreciate that your husband is trying hard to

I find [1 Peter 5:5](logos4:///Bible/1Pe 5.5) to be compelling. Peter has spent most of his letter telling Christians in a pagan culture how to get along in that culture, including submission to the a

Wow – am I late to the party. This discussion is great and I don’t want to get too far into gender wars. On the other hand, being the token male here (right now), I suspect and hope my perspective wil

*“Why would Moses say things differently? Well, he’s Hebrew, comes to mind. Plus, he may be trying to be more explicit on what was actually said.”* How is being more cryptic being more explicit? “Th

Kerryn, Boy I thought I was being thorough, but I forgot to include some of your questions that you posed earlier regarding verse 3. You asked: “further regarding v 3: what is interesting to also n

Peter, You presented the context of [John 6:37](logos4:///Bible/Jn 6.37) as the words of Jesus at the end of John. You wrote: Also, in verses 65-67, it is interesting to notice that COMING is juxtapos